Hi, this is my first post other than my intro, and it tackles a question Iv`e had since I first tried Salvia.

The qustion is this, are there any similarities between the salvia experience and the dmt breakthrough? I have used salvia 3 times with dimension changing results, but Iv`e not tried dmt.

See, my first salvia experience went like this. Toke, held it in for a looooong time, breathe out, then a zip went up my body and face and unzipped me into a train like tunnel of pictures and there were female entities just out of my vision and I was being pulled backwards through the tunnel at 50,000mph, it felt like I knew I had left a world behind, but couldn`t pinpoint why it was important to me so I just resigned myself to an infinity on this train.

Now, what Iv`e read about dmt doesn`t really hold any resemblance to the salvia experience but there are finer details I think may be simiilar. Such as, I wasn`t aware I`d smoked salvia after the trip began, my trip was my reality, is this similar to dmt?

I accepted the reality I was experiencing was eternal and let it be, can this happen with dmt automatically if the dose is high enough, or is up to the user to accept it, because, with salvia, there was no fear, and that isn`t like me, usually with shrooms or lsd, there is always enough of "me" in the trip to terrify myself, but the radical nature of salvia didn`t give me time to be scared.

Also, with salvia certain images I see now, such as the Kelloggs Cornflakes chicken logo, a dandelion that has closed itself up and is re-emerging as a fluffy dandelion, bring back to me a very very strong recollection of my experience. Is it the same with dmt? Do images, words, situations etc, have a habit of instigating a remanissence of the experience?

I`ll wrap it up at that, although there are many more tiny fine details of salvia I`d like to compare to accounts of dmt experience.
The main reason I wanted to ask is that it just seems the two substances are the only two that have the power to instantaneously and completely alter your reality, and I think they could be two sides of the same coin perhaps.

ANyway, thanks for reading, and I lok forward to what you people have to say in response.

Namaste,
Rightside xx

Salvia for myself is waaaaaay more physical than DMT.

Also with DMT I'm seem to be more aware that the trip is fleeting. With salvia I just don't have a clue about... anything.

Take a look at this thread for a few different viewpoints:

Salvia divinorum vs Dimethyltryptamine.

Well, all I can say is the headspace and sensation are completely different. Salvia is more an alien sensation compared to other tryptamines or phens ( I's a diterpenoid and not an alcaloid BTW).
So the duration and intensity may be similar, as well as the dissolving reality when breaking through.

Do not compare for they are different, Experience

Nothing is the same, even two diifferent journey with the same batch of salvia or spice can be so extremely different that it doesn't feel the same at all !!
yet, we can discuss. But that's true that's experience will do much more than words.

Cheers for the replies folks, I appreciate what you guys say and wish I could compare the two, I wouldn`t know where to find dmt, other than the plants available in some shops in edinburgh. I`ll check out how to extract but tbh, I reckon that would be beyond me.

Ah well, I`ll keep trying to make sense of salvia in the mean time, and thats like banging your head off a brick wall. hehe.

CHeers

It's really not hard to exract DMT. Just take the time to read the teks, anyone that takes the time can do it.

The 2 are completrely different exoeriences as salvia lasts for all of 5-10 minutes where as dmt lasts for much longer, dmt is also more familiar somehow where as salvia is totally unique.

The only real similarities are the quick onset and similar duration other than that it is completely different. I have had very pleasant experiences with salvia, but most of the time the physical effects (hot, itchy) detract me from wanting to do it again anytime soon. Whereas the DMT experience for me so far hasn't really had any physical effects that I find unpleasant. The experience though is not really the same ballpark.

Well, thanks again folks, but it seems most have answered as if I was asking how similar the two experiences are in their own right in relation to eachother, but if some of you could look at the individual questions I raise in my op and perhaps shed some light on those, as it`s more these subtleties I`d like like to compare.

Thankyou.

My answers are in bold:

I wasn`t aware I`d smoked salvia after the trip began, my trip was my reality, is this similar to dmt?

Most of the time, I'm aware that I've smoked DMT. But it's very easy to get fully involved in the experience - to the point where you're not giving the slightest thought to the fact that you smoked something.

I accepted the reality I was experiencing was eternal and let it be, can this happen with dmt automatically if the dose is high enough, or is up to the user to accept it, because, with salvia, there was no fear, and that isn`t like me, usually with shrooms or lsd, there is always enough of "me" in the trip to terrify myself, but the radical nature of salvia didn`t give me time to be scared.

It has gone both ways with me. My most difficult DMT journey involved a near-death experience. In that experience, there was perfect mental clarity and no fear at all, but a profound sense of loss. It was the post-trip integration that was most difficult.

Also, with salvia certain images I see now, such as the Kelloggs Cornflakes chicken logo, a dandelion that has closed itself up and is re-emerging as a fluffy dandelion, bring back to me a very very strong recollection of my experience. Is it the same with dmt? Do images, words, situations etc, have a habit of instigating a remanissence of the experience?

Yes, some images are reminiscent.

I still don't understand trying to compare the two. Trying to compare mushrooms to DMT is hard enough, but those two could at least be consided fruit (mango and starfruit maybe?) Salvia is like a chef salad...really hard to compare.

But for my say

DMT=bliss and enlightenment, some carnival freak show aspects, but also deep spiritual situations as well
Salvia=jumbled chaos, heat, unpleasant psycadelic situations (i.e. becoming a chair for 20 minutes)

when i read most salvia thread I get the idea that most people never started low with plain leaf and worked their way up slowly..most people seem to a dose way higher than what they are qualified to handle. With salvia if you start low with light doses of plain leaf and work your way up into more submersive doses its no nearly as chaotic. I really feel that most people here have no idea of what this plant is really like and arent qualified to represent it. That sounds arrogant I know but ive grown it for years and taken it over a hundred times.

That sounds completely reasonable, Fractal. I know that when I tried plain leaf though, the separation sensations became incredibly painful, like an egg-slicer cutting me into slices to feed to the conveyor belt. Even low doses always felt incredibly dysphoric to me.

^^yeah those feelings are normal of salvia. ALot of people experience the twisting and pulling, the rotating feelings, with entities pulling them this way and that way..they think they are loosng their minds and they think that is the full salvia experience. It's not. That is a low dose.

Thats the stage right before the breakthrough. Its terrifying and disorientating. Imagine trying to gt up and do something while blasting off for space in a shuttle with immense g force being exerted..thats sort of the equivanlent. Most people never really breakthrough becasue these effects frighten them too much so they never take that extra toke..or they smoke rediculous extracts for the first time thinking its like DMT or whatever..salvia is like NOTHING else..NOTHING..

A salvia breakthrough for me is far from chaotic. Everything that comes before the breakthrough is irrelevant by that point. I am in another world 100%. I have no memory of being human, or that I took any sort of substance. What goes on over there is as normal to me as anything in daily life. I can go to worlds that seem to have no basis in elucidian geomtery, and it will still be normal to me. The real trip is coming back down and hitting that in between state where your reconnecting with the human template, but you still dont remember what a human is. This is why salvia is in the category existentia.

Everything before the breakthrough is about leaving this template..this is why for me going back to plain leaf and low dosing in silent darkness was very important..I was able to feel my template loosen over and over again..observe myslef move slowly to the left, up etc away from my human frame, twist backwards out of it, but never fully pop out again until I felt ready. I did this every night for months at one point. It makes it easier to accept the popping out of ones human template once you are somewhat familiar with its mechanisms.

..and if your becomming inanimate objects with salvia, then god man turn off the lights and get rid of an ambient noise or uncomfortable things pocking your body etc that your mind will try to reassociate with in the dissociative state.