Quick question:
THH is seen has bringing something brilliant to the mushroom experience, SWIM experience loads of mushrooms but he never combined it with any MAOI yet.
He has both THH and Passionflower and was thinking to try the THH with some cambodian cubensis.
The question is which dose should he start for a first time combo (there's enough cubensis here to play around a few time so he doesn't mind doing it gradually).
Although how long does THH make the trip last (if it last longer) and what can he expect as opposed to plain psilocin experience
?

Thank You much !

Be careful mixing harmala's and mushrooms.


McKenna himself tried a Caapi brew and 3g of mushrooms and swore he would never try the combination again.

I've never tried it with JUST THH, but with harmine and/or hamaline the experience becomes very metalic, and grates the nerves. Not an enjoyable experience for the wife or myself.

And this comes from the man that said the best way to take mushrooms was 5g dried, in total darkness laying down.
I too would like to try this combo tho. Best tread carefully!

I might not do it after all... This metallic feeling doesn't sound any good at all !!

I think it might be an interesting concept with harmalas...Acolon_5 did it make the shrooms last much longer at all? Did it change the visual aspects of the trip? What dosage did you take?

SWIM never had any problems doing so with harmalas... Neither did gracie and zarkov...
Small doses of fungi
and a nice amount of harmalas...
interesting...

so like 100mg harmalas? 200mg? would dosing harmalas and mushrooms at the the same time together be a good way or should i wait like 20 mins?

Visuals were not overly enhanced. They were much more geometric and less flowing. Everything had a greenish tint to it (a phenomenon both my wife and I experienced). Lots of teeth grating, anxiety, and a general all around not so fun atmosphere...and we had prepared our space carefully that night, proper lighting, relaxing music, nice head space...

We dosed on 3g cubes (freshly grown, dried properly, and stored in the freezer) and 200mgs of rue extract (purified to a nice light tan color).

I guess it extended the trip, but not in a good way. The peak lasted longer, but the trip in its entirety was shortened a bit, or maybe we ended it after 8 hours or so... I can't honestly remember about the duration../..sorry.

Inthe past 2 weeks I have had 2 experiences with mushooms and smoked harmalas from caapi. Both were very beautiful. The first was with 2 grams and a few bowls of smoked caapi, and the second experiene was with 5 grams of cubes over about 2 hours and a big bowl of caapi. These were potent cubes and the smoked caapi def went well with it. The caapi was smoked at the peak of the expereince and durring the come down. I am not sure how diff it would be dosing the harmalas orally with the mushrooms, but it is something I plan on trying.

after several hundred mushroom voyages I decided to consume 200mg of THH combined with some Cubes and some Cyans. The dosage of shrooms was not significant nor was the dosage of THH. Combined, it was a hell ride that landed me in the ER. What a fucked\embarassing event.

I died that afternoon. DEAD.

I am glad to be alive now. I was taught a most awesome lesson that day.

Never ever again. EVER.

That was about 9 months agao. Havent voyaged on shrooms since. Not sure when I will either. I do recognize that I need to go back again with just a mild dosage of shrooms so I can get a few things staightend out, but, it wont be for a while yet.

I always like shrooms with caapi. Of all shroom/MAOI combo's, it seems that cubensis is least suited for combining with MAOI's and rue least suited for boosting shrooms.
Try a low dose of shrooms first and a full dose of MAOI.(the dose you would normally use for activating orally taken DMT) that way you can test the water and see whether it works for you.

Of the many times i used shrooms in combination with caapi, i have only one negative experience. This was with a type of truffle that was sold under the name 'purple rain'. It caused indeed a metallic feeling, mild naussea, strong vasoconstriction and very noticeable bronchoconstriction.
On all the other occasions where i took shrooms and caapi at the same time (often in combination with jurema or chacruna) i had very positive experiences that where completely on par with traditional ayahuasca. Especially the combination of caapi, copelandia cyanensis and chacruna is extremely pleasant and powerfull.

I havent ever tried cappi, but I recently had my first experience with rue and it went like this: 2 grams of rue in some 100% coco(organic and yummy) milk, 1.5 dry gram of cubes and 3 doses of very good LSD.


completely enjoyable

Do you mean you perceived dying or your heart stopped? People new to this forum and tripping won't understand what you mean.
I thought I died last night on cubes and almost every time I take them.

I have taken cubes with rue tea twice when I used low doses of shrooms.
2 grams rue tea then .5 grams chopped up shrooms in lemon juice 15-20 minutes later.
which was well strong enough for me but not too bad as far as effects influenced from rue.
Did Mckenna say what it was that was wrong with the caapi/mushroom trip he took? I'd like to hear his description.

I saw a McKenna video recorded at some conference, where he mentioned smoking crushed peganum harmala seeds in combination with mushrooms.

He called the result "Vegetable Television".

His main point being that even with the vivid imagery produced by the combo, one will not lose one's mind, and will be able to watch with interest.

I'll see if i can find the vid, but his description sounded positive to me. However, I do take caution as suggested by members of this forum.

I'm really sorry to hear it man. Some of our most profound experiences are the most horrific....but I hear you, NEVER AGAIN. Not a fun ride.



I can't remember exactly where I heard him strongly advise against the combo, I konw it was on one of his old "lectures". But it was my own experience that truly made me stay away from the combo.

Now smoking a bit of Caapi leaf is not the same thing as binding all the MAO's in your stomach with rue, Caapi, and/or pure alkaloids.

I've never smoking Caapi leaves while on zap, but I imagine it would be a much more gentle experience (maybe powerful, but gentle nonetheless). This I might be willing to try.

If you MUST combine the two, please keep the doses VERY low. Even as low as 1g cubes with full MAOI is probably a lot more than a gentle ride. Proceed at your own risk, a member JUST had to go to the hospital becuase of messing around with zap and maoi's. Mushrooms are perfect the way they are. I don't need boost, just more zap.