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Dorge
#1 Posted : 4/3/2010 9:05:21 PM

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A fictional dialog from the soon to come book on Changa...

The other night SWIMS brother in arms,no stranger to the way of smoke learned an interesting lesson while a tired swim went in and out of exhausted awareness... The brother smoked and paced and was not breaking through, he pointed out that he felt he had to much of an utilitarian perspective and that for some reason might be getting in the way...
SWIM focused and sleepily went into teacher mode...SWIMS wolfy... cant help it...
"Your not treating the changa as a person." your treating it as a tool, thats how your relating to it so thats how its relating to you... If changa was a human being that could do what it does to you when you smoke it, what kinda person would that be?"
" A really magical, powerful person, wise beyond words and totally incredible, a person that wants to help me, teach me, guide me and heal me."
" Right so why would you "use" that person? HOW could you use a person so powerful?" Your entering into a relationship with this person that is changa... your asking it for something... how many interaction with another person do you have where you ask someone to do something for you with out offering them something in return? with out there being reciprocity?"
"Rarely if ever."
"Right, and how many people do you ask for help from and then not listen to them, or treat them as if they are mute and unable to speak to you? Do you ask a teacher a question and then refuse to listen? The entire experience visuals every sensation is communication, unless your so closed down your only talking to your self. Try it again open up and listen, offer this powerful person some thing in return, even if its just your commitment to the moment and your ability to learn and heal."

The brother in arms traveled the way of smoke again... this time he was calm, you could see the immersion in that special space come over him. He faced an alter int he house with a full spectrum light and plant over it... he raised his arms and arched his back... his breathing became intentional, he looked open and receiving in his posture...
he remained in that space for some time and lowered his arms and faced his brother in arms...

"How was that?"
I could hear its voice! It spoke to me! it instructed me to face the light and open up to it... to allow it into me and to hold it there, to hold that light within me. It was wonderful! I heard its voice,it told me what to do, it was such a quite and guiding voice, with such simple instruction!"
"Had you never heard that voice from ayahuasca before or changa?"
"No never, I've never experienced anything like that... Ive felt guiding forces and presences communicating with me before, but never a voice."
"That is what makes this medicine very helpful and very unique. Aya will do this too, it will speak to you. This is why they call it a plant teacher."
"I really have to thank you man... I had never really thought of how I was relating to these medicines before."
"I am just glad you heard the voice."

Many times swim will ask people to ask a question after the effects come on and then just listen and pay attention to a response. People are often times shocked and totally blown away. One imaginary person has taken too sharing this experience with other people asking them to do the same... "this smoke will speak to you, it will answer your questions, guide you, heal you and teach you! Its aware and will respond to your needs!"

Ayahuasca has this reputation, its been helping people to see that there is an intelligence in nature that there is something that people have come to call spirit.
The experience of listening to this medicine changes peoples lives...
Gracie and Zarkov in their early experiments on smoking DMT while under the influence of harmala alkaloids gathered from passionflower, rue or caapi where highly focused on what they called the voice phenomena. This was the experience that they where attempting to create, and did so successfully with all three plants. It is very easy to miss this vice phenomena when one is not listening, or allowing the experience to guide them... those that walk infront of the medicine do not allow it to guide them. What this means is that their expectations,intentions and even beliefs about what can happen influences their experience. They are in control... when one gives up that control one begins work in synergy with the plants, with life, with spirit, with something mush larger then them but includes them, and a change begins deep within them... that is felt through out that which includes them but is somuch larger.

If you have not asked and listened to this smoke... try it... ask and then pay attention, open up... commune and see what happens...


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Good quality Syrian rue (Peganum harmala) for an incredible price!
 
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#2 Posted : 4/3/2010 9:38:43 PM

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Soon to come book?

I can't wait to read it.

This was a nice read dorge. Thank you.

 
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#3 Posted : 4/3/2010 9:51:23 PM

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Yes thank you much for the perspective.
have you ever taken that ferry from San Francisco to Berkeley and looked back and seen that while in Berkeley, San Francisco doesn't exist?

 
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#4 Posted : 4/3/2010 10:11:54 PM

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Nice reading dorge.

Interesting indeed. When finnish reading i remembered this poem/song that i saw in another book. (communication within student and teacher)

I sing the pictures of the book
and see them propagating,
I am a graceful bird
For I can make the books speak
Within the house of the painting
...........................................

hehe
 
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#5 Posted : 4/4/2010 1:49:01 AM

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Thats a lovely poem!

yeah the goal is a book ATM... SWIM is pretty tired of just reading about the same ol things... nothing really new under the sun these days. AND SWIM IS REALLY TIRED of reading pinchbecks nonsense...lol
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#6 Posted : 4/4/2010 1:55:18 AM

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hey dorge, great read! SWIM has never tried asking for help with a specific issue. She always goes in asking to help with that which needs help the most. She will try this technique out and see.

I, OTOH agree with your friend about Pinchbeck's books.
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#7 Posted : 4/4/2010 2:14:38 AM

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Quote:
SWIM IS REALLY TIRED of reading pinchbecks nonsense...lol


Amen to that brother.

have you ever taken that ferry from San Francisco to Berkeley and looked back and seen that while in Berkeley, San Francisco doesn't exist?

 
Dorge
#8 Posted : 4/4/2010 2:16:54 AM

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such a hack... lol...
"She always goes in asking to help with that which needs help the most."
thats a lovely intention as well.
have others entered into dialog with changa, or heard the voice phenomena?
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ragabr
#9 Posted : 4/4/2010 2:35:38 AM

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SWIM does receive the voice phenomenon, and for the record, her neurology interprets changa's communications as hip-hop, beats and rap with jim-jam breakdancing.

I find this completely hilarious.

Edit: loving the changaya site, btw
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#10 Posted : 4/4/2010 4:03:10 AM

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Dorge, I absolutely love this piece.
There's nothing like it.
Keep it up, these kinds of words are important.
 
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#11 Posted : 4/4/2010 4:23:32 AM

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thanks folks... current in writing fervor...
jim jam break dancing... Oh my... I see the disco techs of Israel... dance dance dance dance dance....
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#12 Posted : 4/7/2010 2:39:37 AM

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Great writing, I'll take this post to heart.
"...I didn't know that Cheshire cats always grinned; in fact, I didn't know that cats could grin..." - Alice's Adventures in Wonderland
 
Dorge
#13 Posted : 4/7/2010 3:47:37 AM

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for sure!
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