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Protein binding of Tannins in Aya [great success] Options
 
rawmo
#1 Posted : 3/29/2010 10:44:04 PM

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Hey there,

Had some Aya the other night.

Had been working on a technique for binding tannins over the last few times and got the best results so far.

Basically separated egg whites,
Put them into a non stick pan and spread thinly [like a Crepe or pancake] across the whole pan.
Cooked till solid

Transfered to the Mimosa pot [previously extracted using the herbal percolator method (8.5g)].

Boiled the solution down [the Egg white went a Pink/purple] so ~60ml final volume.

Added some lemon juice and Agave syrup to the glass to help with taste
When I drank the Mimosa brew, which usually for me is the nastiest thing that I have ever tasted I was surprised at how there was no bitterness at all!
It even tasted sort of nice (thanks lemon and agave)!

The effects worked as expected [visual / headspace]

And the other best part - [for me anyways]
There was absolutely no nausea at all, not even a tiny stomach grumble.
And hence no purging, which made for one of my most beautiful and rewarding Aya experiences so far [and longer too ~3hrs first stage].

Hope that's of use to some that prefer not to barf [rewarding as it can be].

Other easy protein binding options for those with dietry restrictions -

Tofu (well get soy milk, add MgCl and precipitate out the protein and transfer the floculated (i.e. pre pressed) protein into a herbal percolator and run your solution thru this.
Boiled milk with a little vinegar added (i.e. Paneer cheese) floculant should work as well.
 

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benzyme
#2 Posted : 3/30/2010 12:43:51 AM

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Confused
why not use activated charcoal?
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#3 Posted : 3/30/2010 12:52:22 AM

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not quite. it would need to be treated

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activated_carbon

one may be able to find it at health food stores, it's a good remedy for food poisoning.
it's also a great way to decolorize products.
tannins are bulky molecules, they're easily trapped in AC.
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#4 Posted : 3/30/2010 12:56:57 AM

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Eggs are a bit cheaper than activated charcoal though.Smile
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#5 Posted : 3/30/2010 9:43:23 AM

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3maester wrote:
Hey thanks for explaining this trick. I may try this sometime. Just curious, did you notice that weird sandpaper in the mouth feeling after removing the tannins?


No,

sandpaper effect is usually due to astringency from memory [e.g. from tannins].
It actually tasted quite nice over all,

not something you'd have for the taste alone, but considering the options a good way to take aya.
 
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#6 Posted : 3/30/2010 9:44:49 AM

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benzyme wrote:
Confused
why not use activated charcoal?


From my understanding AC would also bind the DMT. [like bentonite does].

Eggs are cheap, quick easy and work better than i ever could have hoped : )
 
benzyme
#7 Posted : 3/30/2010 3:07:11 PM

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rawmo wrote:
From my understanding AC would also bind the DMT. [like bentonite does].


salt it through with saturated NaCl solution, and extract with the organic solvent.
tannins get trapped.

eggs are for breakfast.
chemists use AC and chromatography to clean up their products.
but if you guys don't mind peptides bound to your spice, then more power to ya
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