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Voidmatrix
#1 Posted : 9/22/2023 3:27:36 AM

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Yes. You'll likely (very very very very very very) be fine.

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Note: Speaking as a mod, I'm stating this to all, do not make this thread political just because the Covid vaccine has been mentioned.
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#2 Posted : 9/22/2023 4:03:58 AM

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Explorer2023 wrote:
Voidmatrix wrote:
Yes. You'll likely (very very very very very very) be fine.

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Note: Speaking as a mod, I'm stating this to all, do not make this thread political just because the Covid vaccine has been mentioned.


So no change if have had the shots? Not more safe, and not less safe.
I heard something mentioned about medicine retreats not accepting people if had the shots because of health risk reasons.





I’ve been triple vaxxed, and have ingested lots of ayahuasca and mushrooms and LSD and smoked DMT since, all in high doses. Didn’t make a lick of discernable difference in my case.
 
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#3 Posted : 9/22/2023 4:36:59 AM

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I've also been vaccinated several times and have never changed my psychedelic habits and have not experienced any negative side effects. Nor positive ones.

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What if the "truth" is: the "truth" is indescernible/unknowable/nonexistent? Then the closest we get is through being true to and with ourselves.


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#4 Posted : 9/22/2023 2:03:12 PM

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It is definately safe. But maybe some immunorepressant drugs (alcohol, tobacco, ketamine, methamfetamine, etc) could reduce the effectivity of vaccins if you take them within the 2 week period after having had a flu/covid/other shot?

I don't know for sure, and i suppose this hypothesis hasn't been tested anywhere, but it's just a thought.
 
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#5 Posted : 9/22/2023 2:55:28 PM

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I'm 3 covid shots in and have probably had 30-50 low dose DMT trips in the 10-25 mgs range since my return in February and all is well. DMT approves of smart psychonauts who stay in the game, stay vaccinated. You have to keep your body in good shape to be able to abandon it and safely return.
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#6 Posted : 9/22/2023 6:57:12 PM
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Implying that people who dont want a covid shot are not 'smart psychonauts' seems provocatively political. If someone said you were only a 'smart psychonaut' if you didnt get the shot, it would be moderated.

I'm not saying it should be modded, nor either complaining at your life chocies Pan. I'm actually in favour of free speech on any topic.

Just pointing out the inequality. Getting 'political' should not only be verbotten when the 'wrong' side of the debate speaks.
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#7 Posted : 9/22/2023 7:27:47 PM

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fink wrote:
Implying that people who dont want a covid shot are not 'smart psychonauts' seems provocatively political. If someone said you were only a 'smart psychonaut' if you didnt get the shot, it would be moderated.

I'm not saying it should be modded, nor either complaining at your life chocies Pan. I'm actually in favour of free speech on any topic.

Just pointing out the inequality. Getting 'political' should not only be verbotten when the 'wrong' side of the debate speaks.

I don't think this counts as political.

I agree that it is somewhat biased, but eliminating all bias from every single discussion here would not only be an extremely difficult thing to do, but because of that also take a lot of fun out of being here.

Most of us are probably a lot more biased than we're aware of, on a whole host of things.
As long as we can respect eachother and we are willing to listen to eachothers arguments, that doesn't have to be a problem.

Another good rule of thumb is that if your convictions on something are so strong that, no matter what facts you are being confronted with, your views will not be even slightly tilted in another direction, you are not realy capable of rational discussion on that topic.
 
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#8 Posted : 9/22/2023 7:56:11 PM

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dr wrote:
Most of us are probably a lot more biased than we're aware of, on a whole host of things.


There's a reason I keep a list of cognitive biases up on my computer at all times. Laughing

Pandora wrote:
You have to keep your body in good shape to be able to abandon it and safely return.


This last sentence is what makes me interpret it as more of an opinion about health than politics.

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#9 Posted : 9/22/2023 10:53:20 PM
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Perhaps there is truth that I got too easily triggered by an innocent sentiment guided by my own brand of bias. I believed I was unable to make a challenge due to forum rules. I want to disagree respectfully, yet strongly, with what you wrote Pandora.

The part about hyperspace approving of covid19 vaccine recipients is an outrageous statement.
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#10 Posted : 9/22/2023 11:36:47 PM

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Fink wrote:
The part about hyperspace approving of covid19 vaccine recipients is an outrageous statement.

How about we take a quick look at the exact quote, just to compare it with your interpretation of it:
Pandora wrote:
DMT approves of smart psychonauts who stay in the game, stay vaccinated.
and then compare it with this one:
Explorer2023 wrote:
I heard something mentioned about medicine retreats not accepting people if had the shots because of health risk reasons.

Let's all strive to remain aware of our biases, from one moment to the next, shall we?




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#11 Posted : 9/23/2023 4:17:44 AM

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I don't see how "hyperspace approves of X" is an outrageous statement. "Hyperspace disapproves of Y" would be. I didn't read Pandora's post to imply that.

To me it looked more like some might say "hyperspace likes people who exercise regularly". It's probably not true in every single case. And I don't ever exercise, never have, yet DMT has been very loving with me. That doesn't make the statement outrageous, it just means it's not the whole and exclusive truth.

If we look at the entire collection of posts on the nexus and other psychonaut places, i'd say it's clear that hyperspace doesn't objectively have a lot of opinions. For most any sentiment, we can find people who "were told" that it's what the realm wants during their travels.

It's almost like the things we experience in hyperspace come from our own brains Razz And it rewards certain attitudes towards it, regardless what knowledge, convictions, beliefs, habits the tripper has otherwise. Helping us appreciate who we are, as a byproduct resulting in perceived confirmation of our stances on things.
 
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#12 Posted : 9/23/2023 5:12:06 AM

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HT wrote:
I don't see how "hyperspace approves of X" is an outrageous statement. "Hyperspace disapproves of Y" would be.


Seems like, in this context there isn't much of a difference between the two. If one is ridiculous, then so is the other...

Which is only fueled by:

HT wrote:
If we look at the entire collection of posts on the nexus and other psychonaut places, i'd say it's clear that hyperspace doesn't objectively have a lot of opinions.


Perhaps the statement shouldn't have been made, but it seemed tongue in cheek, so we can probably let it go.

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What if the "truth" is: the "truth" is indescernible/unknowable/nonexistent? Then the closest we get is through being true to and with ourselves.


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Question everything... including questioning everything... There's so much I could be wrong about and have no idea...
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#13 Posted : 9/23/2023 11:47:53 AM

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Voidmatrix wrote:
HT wrote:
I don't see how "hyperspace approves of X" is an outrageous statement. "Hyperspace disapproves of Y" would be.


Seems like, in this context there isn't much of a difference between the two. If one is ridiculous, then so is the other...

Which is only fueled by:

HT wrote:
If we look at the entire collection of posts on the nexus and other psychonaut places, i'd say it's clear that hyperspace doesn't objectively have a lot of opinions.


Perhaps the statement shouldn't have been made, but it seemed tongue in cheek, so we can probably let it go.

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If your point is that it's ridiculous to claim much of anything about hyperspace, i see that and i agree.

The point i was trying to make in the first quoted statement is about the humans, not hyperspace per se. There is one crucial difference. If someone says that approval is there for X but i do/am not X, no statement was made about me at all. Otoh if the claim is disapproval of Y but i am/do Y, then the claim is hyperspace's disapproval of me, and that's why i think this is outrageous.

In the second quote, i should have phrased it differently. The thing that is clear is that people aren't in agreement about hyperspace's opinions if any, and we should keep that in mind when we hear statements of that type - no matter who made them and whether they feel right to us personally. This is not physics where we can make an objective measurement to settle things.
 
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#14 Posted : 9/23/2023 4:28:38 PM

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Apologies. I didn't have the best prose above and was not trying to have to explain yourself or show disagreement, but more so adding nuance to perspective to avoid what I thought could be a divisive situation.

To more succinctly say it, if x claim about hyperspace is cogent then so is y claim (and same if one is considered ridiculous), simply because of the mysterious and inconsistent nature of hyperspace. Any claim is hard to make and its opposite is just as valid.

I cam definitely see what you're saying though I think that the content of x will decide if that context fits or not because I feel that there are instances in which the content of x as a function could produce the same result as y. For example, we could add the word only to x, such that "hyperspace only approves of x" then becomes as ridiculous as "hyperspace disapproves of y" because having the only implies a lack (at the very least because it could also completely imply the opposite) of approval (though not necessarily disapproval, but cannot move towards approval).

I was using your second point to fuel my first Laughing but I agree that we should practice temperance in our convictions.

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#15 Posted : 9/24/2023 8:57:32 AM

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No need to apologise at all :=)

"only"! This is what i shoulda used rather than "dis", would've made my point much more succinctly. Thanks!

Note to self: Try to avoid posting at 5am, 10h into a night shift, even if i was drinking coffee all night...



PS. To answer the original question of this thread, i got double vaccinated and didn't notice any difference pertaining to DMT. I'm not a doctor, but i feel like the vax doesn't change DMT safety in any way.
 
 
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