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Twilight Person
#1461 Posted : 4/29/2023 8:00:45 PM

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Ok but Vitamix is 200 €+ on Ebay Sad(

And I was thinking of just buying a small and 2nd hand coffee blender. Like 15 cm high for easy and fast mixing, 20 € on ebay re-sale.

Does this mean I will not get far with that stuff if I otherwise use this Vitamix best?
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#1462 Posted : 4/29/2023 9:17:31 PM

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Ok thanks. But that also means if I use just regular Citric Acid the crystals will be even more crazy as they form even slower? Or is that not a thing which would make a difference in any way?


What do you mean by "regular" citric acid? If by "regular" you mean "food grade/store bought" citric acid, it is almost always Anhydrous Citric Acid. I was able to find Citric Acid Monohydrate on Amazon, a little more expensive, but I opted for that.

You're overthinking the drying process. You can't over dry. Things like mushrooms take 4-12 hours usually depending on thickness. Cactus, if cut properly in 1/4-1/2 inch slices, 8-12 hours (overnight) should be fine. Investing in a multi tiered dehydrator like this one would be a wise investment if you plan on drying cactus regularly.

Will run you 40 bucks online. 4 Tier Dehydrator

You can always take a small sample and grind it up. If it's powder, it's dry. If it's mushy, it's not dry.

I use a 20 dollar blender and a 20 dollar coffee grinder. Think simple.
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#1463 Posted : 4/30/2023 7:09:45 AM

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But when do I know it is dry?


It snaps like a cracker Smile
 
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#1464 Posted : 4/30/2023 11:43:08 AM

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It's not really overthinking - I would anyways run it over night.

But I want to do it with friends and now I hoped that maybe people say under correct circumstances 3 h is enough, so we dont need to do 3 different days, but only 2 (1x powder+extract, 1x add citric acid). But then it will probably extend to 3x Razz Even 4x as we also want to see the crystals afterwards.

About the citric acid:

Yes so if not specificially searched for that all Citric Acid is the anhydrous version. So I bought the hydrate, but as it was not from a chemical supplier I want to be sure what is the consequence if it is not actually the hydrate but the anhydrous. So far it sounds like no difference, but then I'm asking myself why the TEK specificially wants the hydrate? The other one is bought in any grocery, but the hydrate needs to be bought from internet supplier. So I guess there must be indeed a reason? Waiting 16 h instead of 12 h for dissolving it seems like no difference Big grin
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#1465 Posted : 4/30/2023 1:58:39 PM

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Twilight Person wrote:
It's not really overthinking - I would anyways run it over night.

But I want to do it with friends and now I hoped that maybe people say under correct circumstances 3 h is enough, so we dont need to do 3 different days, but only 2 (1x powder+extract, 1x add citric acid). But then it will probably extend to 3x Razz Even 4x as we also want to see the crystals afterwards.

About the citric acid:

Yes so if not specificially searched for that all Citric Acid is the anhydrous version. So I bought the hydrate, but as it was not from a chemical supplier I want to be sure what is the consequence if it is not actually the hydrate but the anhydrous. So far it sounds like no difference, but then I'm asking myself why the TEK specificially wants the hydrate? The other one is bought in any grocery, but the hydrate needs to be bought from internet supplier. So I guess there must be indeed a reason? Waiting 16 h instead of 12 h for dissolving it seems like no difference Big grin


I just use regular store bought citric acid in the food section and have done many successful extractions using it.
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#1466 Posted : 4/30/2023 8:59:46 PM

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What happens if you use too much citric acid? I added more to my jars just to see if anything would happen. Nothing did. I would say there is a total of 10g CA in each 900mL quart jar.

IS it possible to do a sodium carb wash on my 2 quarts of CASEA to make it fresh EA again?

Otherwise I'll have to toss it and start from scratch. Thanks.
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#1467 Posted : 4/30/2023 9:21:29 PM

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Toshido wrote:
What happens if you use too much citric acid?

IS it possible to do a sodium carb wash on my 2 quarts of CASEA to make it fresh EA again?

Otherwise I'll have to toss it and start from scratch. Thanks.


It is hard to use too much citric acid, but if you do it won't dissolve and be present in the product. The product will also form small needles relatively quickly.

Wet EA you can dissolve the excess citric acid in the product and leave mescaline citrate behind.
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#1468 Posted : 5/2/2023 7:01:19 PM

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Ok so too much CA even in CASEA will promote tiny crystals? I guess the used EA I have is no good considering in my first run I went off path and added too much.
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#1469 Posted : 5/2/2023 7:28:18 PM

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Ok so too much CA even in CASEA will promote tiny crystals? I guess the used EA I have is no good considering in my first run I went off path and added too much.


The sodium carbonate washes remove all CA, so it should be reusable
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#1470 Posted : 5/7/2023 6:56:32 AM

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Hiya
for some reasons, i got fine dropplets of water sitting at the bottom of the EA during the fridge rest (even do though i did the decanting first... some more water appeared ... )
i didn't had cristals, so i collected the water and evaporated it, yielding a sticky clear honey
what's the best way to try to recrystalize this ?
do i have to make a mini A/B to remove CA traces (as i assume there was some CA in the water ) ?
 
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#1471 Posted : 5/7/2023 2:23:42 PM

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Quetzal7 wrote:
Hiya
for some reasons, i got fine dropplets of water sitting at the bottom of the EA during the fridge rest (even do though i did the decanting first... some more water appeared ... )
i didn't had cristals, so i collected the water and evaporated it, yielding a sticky clear honey
what's the best way to try to recrystalize this ?
do i have to make a mini A/B to remove CA traces (as i assume there was some CA in the water ) ?


I don't follow. Are you saying you did the fridge rest + decant once, then you repeated that for a second time and got more water

Or did you get dropplets after salting?
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#1472 Posted : 5/8/2023 4:58:44 PM

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Trying to source Ethyl Acetate. I have found Methyl Ethyl Keytone (MEK), but the tek says that Ethyl Acetate is a MEK substitute. Does this mean, as I assume, that I cannot use Methyl Ethyl Keytone?

If not, what type of store would stock Ethyl Acetate?

Thanks,

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#1473 Posted : 5/9/2023 12:38:00 AM

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Man where on Earth did you find MEK? They spent a great deal of time banning it. I don't think anyone has tested that before. Loveall would know though.
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#1474 Posted : 5/9/2023 1:22:52 AM

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Toshido wrote:
Man where on Earth did you find MEK? They spent a great deal of time banning it. I don't think anyone has tested that before. Loveall would know though.



Yeah I had heard that it was difficult to come by... I'm in canada, and it's available at Canadian tire:

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#1475 Posted : 5/9/2023 1:26:44 AM

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MEK would likely be too polar.
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#1476 Posted : 5/9/2023 3:34:41 AM

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I was able to locate the specific MSDS for that brand. Here.

Other product's MSDS's have noted it being greater than or equal to 95% MEK but this one states 100% so at least it's a sound product!

It does however have a very low flash point and boiling point, but CIELO doesn't use any heat what so ever, just thought I'd mention it. But yeah, you want something less polar. MEK is polar. Ethyl Acetate is slightly polar.

"Ethyl acetate, a carboxylate ester, is a bio-friendly organic solvent with a wide range of industrial applications. It is a moderately polar compound, containing a non polar ethyl group, a polar carbonyl (C=O) group and a polar oxygen atom."
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#1477 Posted : 5/9/2023 1:57:32 PM

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MEK has nothing to do with the CIELO process.

The solvent used is ethyl acetate, sometimes labeled as MEK substitute for unrelated historical purposes.
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#1478 Posted : 5/9/2023 9:40:04 PM

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Loveall wrote:
Quetzal7 wrote:
Hiya
for some reasons, i got fine dropplets of water sitting at the bottom of the EA during the fridge rest (even do though i did the decanting first... some more water appeared ... )
i didn't had cristals, so i collected the water and evaporated it, yielding a sticky clear honey
what's the best way to try to recrystalize this ?
do i have to make a mini A/B to remove CA traces (as i assume there was some CA in the water ) ?


I don't follow. Are you saying you did the fridge rest + decant once, then you repeated that for a second time and got more water

Or did you get dropplets after salting?


Yes i got more dropplets after salting ... we could blame an error of manipulation, but i had 4 jars of EA (i kept each pull separated) and theyr all did the same thing
could it be the citric acid that absorbed humidity ? it's a old citric acid, got it 2 years ago i think...
 
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#1479 Posted : 5/10/2023 2:36:14 PM

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Loveall wrote:
MEK has nothing to do with the CIELO process.

The solvent used is ethyl acetate, sometimes labeled as MEK substitute for unrelated historical purposes.


Thanks Lovall! I figured, but I'm having trouble sourcing ethyl acetate (affordable or local), so I crossed my fingers and deferred to more knowledgeable chemists like yourself. Smile

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#1480 Posted : 5/11/2023 5:53:24 PM

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Hello Nexians

what was again the problem of COMPLETELY drying the ethyl acetate (with mgso4 or similar) prior to adding the citric acid?

Will it completely stop crystal formation or will they be just in other shape, or will they only sometimes precipitate/never/... ?
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