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#1 Posted : 2/23/2010 5:52:11 PM

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Having a chat in the nexus chat last night got me thinking about flouride. I'm not a chemist or anything so this question may be stupid.
The tap water in scotland has flouride added to it even though its illegal to prepare food with flouridated water in the eu and i was thinking well flouride is obviously bad for you if europe thinks its bad in your food. Seeing as america has flouridated tap water too this could affect a lot of people. Most [people i read about are using tap water in their extractions and i wonder, where does the flouride go? Does it get crashed out and discarded with all the other rubbish or does it stay there till the end and is in the final product?
As i said this may be a stupid question but it would concern me if i was smoking regular amounts of flouride knowing how damaging it is to the I.Q. Any help on this matter would be apprecited.
 

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#2 Posted : 2/23/2010 6:16:43 PM

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I have always used RO filtered water or distilled water in my extractions, but i would wonder the same for people who do use just plain ol tap water. A great chemist i know says that if people continue to drink my local tap water in several hundred years the chemicals in them could potentially render everyone impotent... ever since i've been a firm believer in purified water.

just wanted to state that i am curious as well! also think of other chemicals in water such as ARSENIC!?
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MY waters full of everyones pharmaceuticals that they piss out! I'm probably already impotent!

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#4 Posted : 2/23/2010 6:35:14 PM

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Not all of scotland has its water fluoridated. Glasgow doesnt, a friend told me that 6 months ago. I did read a week or so ago about the prozac in water house! Shocked
 
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#5 Posted : 2/23/2010 8:12:30 PM

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DeMenTed wrote:
Having a chat in the nexus chat last night got me thinking about flouride. I'm not a chemist or anything so this question may be stupid.
The tap water in scotland has flouride added to it even though its illegal to prepare food with flouridated water in the eu and i was thinking well flouride is obviously bad for you if europe thinks its bad in your food. Seeing as america has flouridated tap water too this could affect a lot of people. Most [people i read about are using tap water in their extractions and i wonder, where does the flouride go? Does it get crashed out and discarded with all the other rubbish or does it stay there till the end and is in the final product?
As i said this may be a stupid question but it would concern me if i was smoking regular amounts of flouride knowing how damaging it is to the I.Q. Any help on this matter would be apprecited.

Any fluoride in the water converts into sodium fluoride during basification (if lye or sodium carbonate is used) calcium fluoride (if calcium hydroxide is used), ammonium fluoride (if ammonia is used) etc.

No chance of any of this getting in the final smoking product.



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#6 Posted : 2/23/2010 8:19:40 PM

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thanks Smile
 
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#7 Posted : 2/23/2010 8:46:06 PM

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There are theories that it acummilates in the pineal, a quick google should find it for you...
 
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#8 Posted : 2/23/2010 9:17:06 PM
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Fluoride was first added to water in Nazi Germany...it is added to the water here to keep the people sick and docile...also to help sterilize...the eugenicists love it...and it is a toxic byproduct of aluminum production.
 
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Fluoridation in the UK according to wiki:- Here
Apparently NO Fluoride in Scotland.
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#10 Posted : 2/23/2010 9:49:59 PM

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I should have done more research! thanks geeg Smile
I was sure i could taste a slight something in my tap water, must have been my imagination.
I must admit though the tap water does taste pretty good Smile
 
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#11 Posted : 2/23/2010 9:51:05 PM

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Doesn't look so good for the american water supply :O
 
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#12 Posted : 2/23/2010 9:59:22 PM

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Aye Scottish water is very very nice, although I do believe that there are some hard water areas which might account for differing tastes.
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#13 Posted : 2/23/2010 10:14:01 PM
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For US: http://www.health.ri.gov...on-fluoridation-map.php

http://www.sjhm.org/site...cation/flouride-finder/


Fluoride Information


Bad, bad stuff. Supposedly good for teeth, OK, keep it in the toothpaste, don't swallow toothpaste. So why is it in the drinking water? Hmmm. At best it's mass medication and that's wrong. At worst it's mass poisoning, which is more likely the case.
 
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#14 Posted : 2/23/2010 10:19:19 PM

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In the second link they clearly state flouridating the water as a money saving exercise! Nasty :O
Im on the central west coast geek. Probably the nicest soft water in scotland. I did think i could taste fluoride tho :O
 
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I'm south west Scotland, also with very good soft water.

I didn't think Fluoride was supposed to have any taste when added to water, might be chlorine your tasting (chlorine is added to disinfect the water) or sometime the change in seasons brings a difference in taste.
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#16 Posted : 2/24/2010 3:40:09 AM

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So who, exactly, is "They" that want to subjugate all of us with flouride in our water? Do "They" bring it to each town's municipal water supply and dump it in so as to keep us "medicated"?

Think about what you post for a few minutes before you hit "post", you may realize that what you are about to state as your position is actually quite silly.
If you have flouride in your tap water and you don't want it, use the process that got it into your water to remove it. Start a petition to not have it added to the water in your town or city.

Be prepared to defend your position that flouride isn't healthy with reliable data, because the people that put it there had reliable data showing its benefits, or it wouldn't be in your water. A few internet articles about the flouride conspiracy probably won't get you very far, but if there is real data about the hazards of ingesting flouride, find it and make others aware of it.

In short, stop bitching about it and DO SOMETHING about it.

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#17 Posted : 2/24/2010 5:40:33 AM

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Pokey wrote:
So who, exactly, is "They" that want to subjugate all of us with flouride in our water? Do "They" bring it to each town's municipal water supply and dump it in so as to keep us "medicated"?

Think about what you post for a few minutes before you hit "post", you may realize that what you are about to state as your position is actually quite silly.
If you have flouride in your tap water and you don't want it, use the process that got it into your water to remove it. Start a petition to not have it added to the water in your town or city.

Be prepared to defend your position that flouride isn't healthy with reliable data, because the people that put it there had reliable data showing its benefits, or it wouldn't be in your water. A few internet articles about the flouride conspiracy probably won't get you very far, but if there is real data about the hazards of ingesting flouride, find it and make others aware of it.

In short, stop bitching about it and DO SOMETHING about it.

Pokey

Sorry friend, sthis is all bollocks, and I don't mean it as a personal attack.
Flouride has 0 documented positive effects on teeth.

It is the main ingredient of things like rat poison...

And in the news in australia... kangaroos dieing of flouride poisoning.
http://www.abc.net.au/ne.../2010/02/23/2827687.htm
 
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#18 Posted : 2/24/2010 1:26:53 PM
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Pokey wrote:
So who, exactly, is "They" that want to subjugate all of us with flouride in our water? Do "They" bring it to each town's municipal water supply and dump it in so as to keep us "medicated"?


Who are "they"? Good question. "They" are the same people that funded Hitlers experiments in eugenics link. "They" are the same people that despise poor people and put abortion clinics in their neighborhoods to reduce the numbers as much as possiblelink. "They" are the same people that suggest putting lithium in the water supply to keep the population at bay link, link. I could go on.


"They" are the sociopathic ruling class of the world, and "they" have nothing but contempt for the rest of us. Partly because "they" can poison us through the water supply and know we will shrug it off and say "Well, I suppose it's for our own good." You suppose that the so-called democracy portrayed on your television actually exists. Well it does not. Even a very shallow attempt to look into this will reveal that every politician in the US government (and probably everywhere else) is owned by some corporate interest link, and that these corporations are, in turn, owned by some very powerful people, people whose families have been in power for centuries link, link. These people, the "theys", have been funding eugencis programs for well over a hundred years and still do. These people have somehow convinced us that they are no longer in charge and we are free.

Perhaps you should think before you hit "post" that people who post these things do so for a reason and instead of assuming they are morons, perhaps you should assume they've done some research into the matter and know a little about it.

Information on fluoride that you probably didn't read


 
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#19 Posted : 2/24/2010 3:28:54 PM

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I wouldnt mention the 3 letter abbreviation for said people involved, best not to. Just be informed of what you are ingesting Smile
 
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Perhaps you should think before you hit "post" that people who post these things do so for a reason and instead of assuming they are morons, perhaps you should assume they've done some research into the matter and know a little about it.

Information on fluoride that you probably didn't read




that 'article' backs none of these claims up. it's easy to fins websites and articles to back up these claims, yet fail to provide any evidence.

to prove it you need to back it up with scientific articles with studies that show that in the concentrations that fluoride is found in tap water, it is shown to cause XYZ effects.

http://www.bma.org.uk/he..._health/Fluoriwater.jsp

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