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Loveall wrote:I'm going to work on this more. Reason is because the dmt citrate honey obtained in post #7 when lime was used to base should be soluble in PG/VG and vapable. Solvent loss was a problem, but going to lower water concentration has solved that issue (85% recovery in first pull and 95 to 100% recovery in subsequent pulls). Here is what I'm gonna try: - 1:1.5:0.25 finely powdered MHRB:water:lime - EA pulls (~5 x 1.5) - Settle combined coffe filtered pulls in fridge until clear and decant - Salt with citric acid (~0.05) and allow oil to settle- Decant and rinse with fesh EA - Air dry - Dissolve dmt citrate oil candidate in ~2 to 3 parts PG/VG This may be a quick way to make e-juice for vaping. For me, making a quality e-juive is cumbersome because the DMT needs to be very clean to avoid clogged atomizer coils. Extra purification steps are needed compared to direct heat vaporizing methods (at least for me). Here is the dmt citrate oil candidate settling. Minimal work so far, but should be very pure dmt citrate and soluble/miscible with PG/VG. This could be a quick and direct way to a clean vapable dmt salt in e-juice. The days of longer A/B extractions, conversions, and purifying FB may be over for me. We shall see... Loveall attached the following image(s):  20220828_222950.jpg (1,663kb) downloaded 264 time(s).
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β€οΈβπ₯
Posts: 3370 Joined: 11-Mar-2017 Last visit: 30-Mar-2023 Location: π
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Loveall wrote:I'm going to work on this more. Reason is because the dmt citrate honey obtained in post #7 when lime was used to base should be soluble in PG/VG and vapable. Solvent loss was a problem, but going to lower water concentration has solved that issue (85% recovery in first pull and 95 to 100% recovery in subsequent pulls). Here is what I'm gonna try: - 1:1.5:0.25 finely powdered MHRB:water:lime - EA pulls (~5 x 1.5) - Settle combined coffe filtered pulls in fridge until clear and decant - Salt with citric acid (~0.05) and allow oil to settle - Decant and rinse with fesh EA - Air dry - Dissolve dmt citrate oil candidate in ~2 to 3 parts PG/VGThis may be a quick way to make e-juice for vaping. For me, making a quality e-juive is cumbersome because the DMT needs to be very clean to avoid clogged atomizer coils. Extra purification steps are needed compared to direct heat vaporizing methods (at least for me). Last step is complete. Got 4.6g of honey based on the empty jar delta weight. Assuming/guessing we have a mono dmt citrate salt with a couple water monecules that is ~ 2g of DMT for 100g of bark. This was dissolved in 6g of 50/50 PG/VG. Done in a hot water bath. First image has resulting e-juice in the salting jar and second image has the ejuice in a syringe ready to load. Estimated DMT strenght is 20%. However, there is no analysis to confirm. Disclaimer is that I could be wrong. I vaped it with a 1.4 ohm pod on a geekvape wemax h1. Very smooth at all 3 power levels and effects where felt π€© I cannot overstate how smooth and good tasting this e-juice is. Will also try 0.7 ohm pod. That should be more intense, but not sure it could get to blastoff level. For me, dmt salt e-juice can be used with sublingual harmalas for a deeper experience. Loveall attached the following image(s): 20220829_093240.jpg (1,255kb) downloaded 254 time(s). 20220829_094153.jpg (896kb) downloaded 254 time(s).
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After coming down from a sweet DMT buzz I wrote up a TEK for the approach followed in the last few posts. No fussing around with frer base or cleanups/purification. The salting process seems to precipitate very clean product. This purity is needed to not clog the more sensitive electronic mesh coil device flow. I think this is a good approach that simplifies processing and hope it can be a contribution to the community. Would love to hear where I could be making mistakes and improve. Cheers.
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Entheogen Enthusiast
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I recommend extract with EtOAc, dry, distill and then recrystallise with hexane
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famine wrote:I recommend extract with EtOAc, dry, distill and then recrystallise with hexane Why do you reccomend this? Other than getting FB, isn't it simpler/less work to precipitate DMT directly with citric acid as DMT citrate from the EA? Assuming of course we are not wrong about the orange honey being mostly DMT citrate.
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DMT-Nexus member
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I kinda want to give HIELO a try.
Would this be worth trying on shredded bark?
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ShadedSelf wrote:I kinda want to give HIELO a try.
Would this be worth trying on shredded bark? I don't think so. From experience I think these no-long-boil teks need fine grind powder to easily dissolve the goods into the solvent after basing. A few minutes in a good coffee grinder is needed in my opinion. It saves energy vs. long boils and (unless you are burning brush scraps for the boil) is greener (in my opinion).
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Entheogen Enthusiast
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Loveall wrote:famine wrote:I recommend extract with EtOAc, dry, distill and then recrystallise with hexane Why do you reccomend this? Other than getting FB, isn't it simpler/less work to precipitate DMT directly with citric acid as DMT citrate from the EA? Assuming of course we are not wrong about the orange honey being mostly DMT citrate. Freebase and crystalline. Much nicer than a salt goo...
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Apparently DMT citrate forms an almost solid wax at room temp.
My experience has been that the resulting wax traps a bit of EA with it, I had to put it in a hot bath and add a few drops of water to get it liquid enough for the EA to be able to evaporate.
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ShadedSelf wrote:Apparently DMT citrate forms an almost solid wax at room temp.
My experience has been that the resulting wax traps a bit of EA with it, I had to put it in a hot bath and add a few drops of water to get it liquid enough for the EA to be able to evaporate. Did you dry the EA chemically before salting?
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Is n-Hexane similar to n-Heptane in any way? π³π¨βπ¬π³ - My A/B Hot Plate TEK - π³π¨βπ¬π³ πππ - Don't Heat Your Naphtha, Heat Your Soup! - πππ β΄β΄β΄ - White Spice vs Yellow Spice - πππ "You are an explorer, and you represent our species, and the greatest good you can do is to bring back a new idea, because our world is endangered by the absence of good ideas. Our world is in crisis because of the absence of consciousness." - Terence McKenna π "Dang, that's really impressive for a first extraction. Those xtals are nicely resolved." - Benzyme π
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Loveall wrote:
Did you dry the EA chemically before salting?
I did not. It did precipitate as a honey though, but after a single rinse it became almost solid. I was working with small quantities, looks like the EA was able to absorb all the water out of the honey.
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ShadedSelf wrote:Loveall wrote:
Did you dry the EA chemically before salting?
I did not. It did precipitate as a honey though, but after a single rinse it became almost solid. I was working with small quantities, looks like the EA was able to absorb all the water out of the honey. Ok, I didn't notice the EA not evaporating well. Good to know. I simply left it out for a while until the weight stopped changing. The smell of EA was completely gone by then. May have been at least overnight drying though. In retrospect it may have been a long time compared to how EA usually evaporates (minutes). How long did you wait for EA to evaporate passively? Are you sure it didn't just need more time in your case?
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I left it for a few days, the smell was gone, I just noticed that heating it up made it bubble and release EA smell.
The wax didnt seem that soluble in pg/vg, I forgot to weight it though... it took around 8ml of e-juice(70/30 pg/vg) to dissolve it and I only used 500mg of citric acid for the salting.
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widderic wrote:Is n-Hexane similar to n-Heptane in any way? They are both straight-chain, saturated alkanes. Heptane is the immediate homologue of hexane. Hex = six, hept = seven carbon atoms. βThere is a way of manipulating matter and energy so as to produce what modern scientists call 'a field of force'. The field acts on the observer and puts him in a privileged position vis-à-vis the universe. From this position he has access to the realities which are ordinarily hidden from us by time and space, matter and energy. This is what we call the Great Work." β Jacques Bergier, quoting Fulcanelli
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