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elchingy97
#61 Posted : 7/18/2022 7:00:06 PM

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So I acquired some syrian rue earlier this month, dug for some roots (in the middle of between 2 agriculture fields, soil was damp but no water body near, roots weren't like the ones you would get from directly-near-a-water-body, they were much harder and drier).

Freeze/unfreeze the roots for the next 24h
Same with a rue dose of 5g's.

Shredded the roots in a blender, then I dried the material in the oven @ 75 celcius. Then I shredded the material in the blender to as finely as I could.

Did huasca attempts (w/o using vinegar) starting from 5g's of the dried root power, then 25g, then 50, then 75, 100, 200.
(each attempt w/ 5g's of rue, 45 mins between drinking the rue & the root brew in a shotglass size concentrate)

All failed. Not a single moleque of DMT was felt.

Then I went to the nearby lake. Dug for some fresh watery-rich roots, 1000 g's. Immediately put them in the freezer, thawed them the next day (together w/ a 6g dose of rue). Shredded the roots the next day & put them to boil for 3x 2h = 6h total. Didn't do any drying this time. I also used 2x 100ml white vinegar, 100 ml on each wash (except the 3rd last one). And 100 ml vinegar for making a syrian rue concentrate a.k.a boiling the water off till a shotglass size. Did two washes only on the rue, with the vinegar in the beginnig only. Oh yeah — and this time I used 6gs instead if 5, just to be sure.
Total amount of water used for the roots brewing was 3,5 l + 3 l + 1,5 l = 8 l total, and for the rue it was 1,5 l + 1 l = 2,5 l total. Tap water from own well.

And guess what happened?

Still fail.

So my only explanation that I didn't feel anything (apart from the rue effects I got) was because it's July & smo mentioned that after June Phragmites doesn't produce any DMT.

Question: Since my initial goal was to just trip — Anything I could try (that I've potentially missed) before I hop on the Phalaris bandwagoon? Or is it too late now & I gotta wait till next Spring?
 

Good quality Syrian rue (Peganum harmala) for an incredible price!
 
dithyramb
#62 Posted : 8/5/2022 1:00:29 AM

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Elchingy97, I never had success with hard, woody roots. I did have success with end of July rhizomes a few years ago... Though it was a muddied experience. Phragmites is a cocktail and each strain has its own good or bad signature. No grass is similar to Psychotria/Ayahuasca in my experience with the glowing exception of Phalaris brachystachys. Phragmites can be uniquely great, but is different.

Season is a factor as well as genetics. This species has quite some genetic diversity, similar to phalaris species. I actually have come to perceive it as a species complex.

Did you check whether the reeds you harvested had flowered yet?
 
dithyramb
#63 Posted : 8/5/2022 11:30:42 PM

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After two years of experiences, I am pretty certain that bufotenine is the main alkaloid of this plant (in agreememt with Tawar et al). Very dreamy, sedative and musical... It's quite pleasant, but the problem is, bufotenine is not "mentally psychedelic"/ego dissolving. According to a Korean study (Studies on the indoles in the Common Reed), bufotenine is metabolized from DMT in Phragmites. Thus a higher percentage of DMT is found in the immature parts/phases of of the plant. It's like pectin vs sugar (DMT vs bufotenine) in fruit. And similar to the analogy, the plant's taste goes from sour to very sweet (fructose, sucrose, and glucose get concentrated) as it matures. I've had a few mind blowingly powerful experiences. The most ego dissolving was with stems of a certain strain in July. Not much visuals but quite a soul penetration and constant bombardment of truth which left me crying for days after the experience. It was most likely 5 Meo DMT dominant. The most immersive and visionary DMT experience was with leaves of another strain in June. I might have hundreds of experiences by now because I feel the plant is so good for me. The vast majority was not ego dissolving, but pleasant energetic alignment Bufotenine experiences.
 
elchingy97
#64 Posted : 8/6/2022 9:02:03 AM

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You say your best experience was with leaves in June. If I go around and harvest some leaves from different patches (now that it's August) and make myself an ayahuasca — would I at least feel even a slight of a psychedelic? (apart from the rue high)

How much g's of leaves in fresh (or dry) weight?

Would you give me a green light to go, or should I not bother?

P.S No, the patch didn't have any flowers. (or at least I didn't notice any)
 
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#65 Posted : 8/6/2022 9:27:35 AM

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Hi elchingy97. Leaves have a certain block over their psychoactivity which is overcome by drying and simmering. In August you will most probably get a Bufotenine experience if you get something at all. I like it and find it very healing, but most other people seem to not be sensitive enough to appreciate it. You also need to have a good strain. Some bring in the euphoria but with an energetic chaos. Some, to the contrary align and empower. You can use 100g fresh leaves. Use top leaves of reeds that have not flowered and look young. Including the very top part of the stems will most likely boost the effect.
 
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#66 Posted : 8/7/2022 10:22:04 PM

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Hmm, interesting. Does this mean that it might be worth investigating the dry stems and leaves from my tub of reeds that recently partially dried out before they had flowered?




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#67 Posted : 8/7/2022 10:43:02 PM

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Yes, downward. Leaves are more consistent in retaining their tryptamines with drying in my experience. 50g dry is a good dose for testing. Phragmites is safe ime. Just achieving a proper full blown light effect is rare, effects are mild (Bufotenine and traces of DMT at best) most of the time. Bufotenine is said to not cross the BBB, but I am sure it does orally with rue, perhaps not with full efficiency.
 
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#68 Posted : 8/8/2022 2:37:01 AM

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dithyramb wrote:
Yes, downward. Leaves are more consistent in retaining their tryptamines with drying in my experience. 50g dry is a good dose for testing. Phragmites is safe ime. Just achieving a proper full blown light effect is rare, effects are mild most of the time. Bufotenine is said to not cross the BBB, but I am sure it does orally with rue, perhaps not with full efficiency.

Super, thanks! Now I can be thankful for the friend who forgot to water the reed bucket while looking after my plants for me recently (especially since the reeds have survived and begun sprouting again).




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