Mimosa is used widely in some skin care products. It can do magic for people with skin problems and skin burns.

Is it that far removed from buying freebased spice from ravers? I thought there was a consensus against buying it, its something to be taught and shared not exchanged for cash. Not to mention the price of the bark, $160US for 1 Kg from BBB if thats not price gouging and completely against the spirit of spice I dont know what is. There might be some extremely isolated people out there for whom mail order is the only option but overall people can find other sources but are just too lazy. They would rather pay through the ass than study some maps and go for a drive and do some digging or chopping.

Do they have winter where you are mumbles? Only thing I'll be digging or chopping for many more months is snow and ice.

I buy my food from other people too. Do I deserve that, or do I need to grow it to be OK in your eyes?

Pokey the Mildly Offended

I'd say you fit in the isolated catagory I'm sure most people buying the bark do not have to deal with snow and ice. A good example of this is australians ordering mhrb when there are many species of acacias testing positive for spice and still many others untested, not to mention the grasses. These guys could do some reading and ID some plants but instead they order foreign bark for crazy amounts of money and increased personal risk. If you experiance terrible conditions and it isnt physically possible then fair enough you of course do what you have to, but to buy bark where bark or rhyzomes can be sourced locally just isn't right.

Northern Europeans, and a huge portion of North America doesn't quite qualify "extremely isolated." Not to mention that not everybody even has a car to drive out to the countryside if they live in a larger city either. The only DMT-containing plant that likely grows anywhere near most members of this site is phalaris. Besides, it's US vendors that are really under discussion here.

Living a few miles from a common source of DMT does not mean you've put in some extraordinary amount of research and effort. In the US, all one has to do is look here: http://plants.usda.gov to find out if a plant grows anywhere nearby, but more often than not, you're out of luck.


Anyway, all of the I-told-you-so's and serves-you-rights are derailing threads in an incredibly counter-productive manner. The real issue here is the injustice of prohibition, and lucky you if you don't have to deal with the realities of this problem in your country of residence...yet...but Americans are at war here and can't last much longer underground.


In any case, at least phalaris and more common plants will get the research so desperately needed.

True some good info might eventually come out of this mess as the MHRB dries up and people shift priorities to grasses or field testing candidates.

all this talk about phalaris grass...I thought there was a problem in that phalaris contains gramine which I understand to be toxic? Did I miss a tek that's able to separate the gramine out? Did I misread earlier threads about this issue?

That hasn't been confirmed, but it's something to take into account.

There is no evidence that it is toxic to humans..i have tried to find it and found nothing but talk of phalaris staggers in sheep...and when they gave the sheep DMT..it was toxic to them...i have searched for conclusive info on gramnine in humans and cant find a thing...my dog eats phalaris grass all the time at the park and she seems fine..

There has to be a way to remove it anyway..

Right. Europe here, the last two months constant snow and freezing, -5 - -10°C, no car, big City.




Source please

Right on, brother. One bouncing bear botanical bust and you all shit your pants. Grow some balls!
We've got phalaris arundinacae, chacruna, I can't name them all but somone else sure can, hundreds
of species of plants which all contain DMT.

I say, DO pass legislation which makes DMT containing plants illegal like mushrooms are, and then it will
only involve the trade of seeds and cuttings! No more ordering gross kilos of MHRB and supporting the
cottage industry of farming mimosa in mexico!

we must support the governments war on the natural kingdom!!!!!!

Steve, the lawyer in the aya forums thread, thinks Jon is done for. You say chacruna but that is on Jon's charge list, and in any case once the precedent is set surely ALL species containing DMT will be illegal. The only people who will have access to them will be those who live where it grows wild and can identify it properly, and those who already have their own plants growing. Poor dreamer has been waiting for ages for his supplier to stock up so he can try to start his own family (in the hope they'll be able to survive winter in the city).
He does NOT want to be forced to join Santo Daime to get access to the molecule, that is not his religion.

Perfecting extraction from native species such as phalaris would be a good thing, yes. But what about people like dreamer who want full jungle experience? There is no historical precedent of the safety of using phalaris as an admixture, is there?

And why all this elitism about enlightenment? Some people probably don't even know to better themselves before they've met with the molecule. I bet some try it just for kicks and end up wanting to become better people.

Can't something be done with Discrimination and Equality laws regarding select groups having sole access to plants/chemicals. Why should they be allowed Aya but make me a criminal because I'm an atheist or from the wrong group of people?

Theoretically, i think that almost every climate zone has good botanical sources of DMT.

The only thing is that many plants that are listed as containing DMT in the wiki are seldom used.

We don't know the toxixity of all of these plants.
The gramine part in phalaris si something to seriously take in consideration.

But i think in time, people with knowledge of chemistry may confirm the safety of some plants that are currently not used by us.

I think that those who live in a warm climate must for instance be able to find proper acacia trees somewhere. The DMT is probably not just in the bark, but in leaves and foliage as well.

If anybody has experience with a plant that most of us dont know, than posting about these experiences might help this community a lot.

I imagine there are alot of others here that feel the same way..we are being controlled far to much whith this issue..cognative liberty I feel should be number one on the list..hell we all have the right to own deadly weapons, and just about every house has terribly toxic chemicals that aren't questioned, nor are the most injurous drugs on the planet..alchohol and tobacco...is anyone else tired of working around the laws that control us? how bout we make some real change in our level of "freedom"...i question the motives of dea and lawmakers in general when alchohol is responsible for so much death and pain and its promoted..ame with tobacco..what really are thier motives???
I personally feel a religious right to consume any sacrament that brings me (or anyone) closer to understanding of themselves and god...arrrggghhh!!! my head is spinning..we shoudn't have to accuesce to these kinds of laws..its our right as self aware beings to explore that awareness in anyway we see fit..it should be promoted godamnit!!!
instead the only options that are legal are to pay a doctor huge amounts of you sallary and recieve pills that will probably give you cancer or make yur pecker fall off..wtf why do we feel the need to be under such control??

Mumbles! I must admit you did bring up a good point, you had me stumped for a while but i still think you are wrong. The people that sell dmt at raves do it for profit and monitary gain, while the people who buy the bark and use it for themselves or give it away do it for much different reasons. I'd say 160 is pretty cheap, because i can't really put a dollar amount on a dmt trip. It's also a pretty cheap price given what this shit goes for on the streets. That being said, i am highly against people who sling spice. It's not a substance to be taken lightly, people who have done their research, extracted it themselves, usually have the brains to use it in a more responsable manner. Right now extracting spice from phalaris isn't a very smart endevour for most individuals. I've read that it can be a very tedious, time consuming, complicated process with yields that are extremely miniscule.

To say that one has to go through these great lengths to enjoy something as beautiful as dmt is just silly. It's silly because smoking dmt in and of itself is a shortcut. Lime juice a quad of mushrooms and if you don't have a mystical experience many times stronger then (smoked) dmt then i'll call you a liar. I don't believe it is a holy molecule, it is a drug whose experiences can be replicated through years of meditation and spiritual progress. Ever hear of astral projection and the astral planes?

I also want to add that some of the worst people are some of the best canidates for DMT, there's nothing like a powerful trip to change someone's perspective in life.

Swim must have come across as an asshole (whoops) but he firmly believes you can get more out of dmt that you have ID'd, harvested, extracted, and purified yourself. If nothing else it forces you to think about the trips you are going to undertake as you lug that shit through the bush on a 38c/100F day =p. Meditation through work or something like that. The grasses will become more and more known and explored as mail order bark disappears. A decently yielding phalaris extraction would be revolutionary that plant is a weed everywhere.

Swim has had 3.5g with grapefruit juice and yeah smoked dmt is easy in comparison but the abstract nature if dmt is what keeps swim interested. He is constantly being shown the impossible and it feels like the entities or spice enjoy him being astounded (whole field of vision bending into a huge smile after some realisations) and even poke fun at swim (has anyone else experienced it?). Even the great tripping no no's like watching hellraiser or hearing screaming and chainsaws while coming up on a big dose aren't scary at all, swim laughed so hard it hurt so that's a definite plus over shrooms. You make a good point though spice has the power to refocus otherwise bad people, just like mushrooms.

"it is a drug whose experiences can be replicated through years of meditation and spiritual progress. Ever hear of astral projection and the astral planes?"

Really? do you have first hand experience with astral projection?..becasue I do..and they are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT things..I dont believe you can compare DMT to meditation either?..i dont know why peopel feel the NEED to?..why cant meditation be one thing that is useful, and psychedelics another?..no need to get teh 2 mixed up...and if so..whats up with all these gurus expecting you to follow them around and jump at their every command for the next 20 years while you worship them as gods?..I mean..doesnt seem that awake to me.

I dont get DMT trips when I meditate..oh I forgot...i must be doing it wrong...

A+ post

Considering how one see's the astral is completely subjective to the individual and mere thought will change what you see (similar to dmt) you aren't really in a position to judge how i experience it. Much like dmt, your experiences are very much your own and noone else's. I've had full on break through experiences via meditation so maybe you aren't trying hard enough? I'm in now way shape or form saying that the purpose of meditation is experience something similar to DMT. It is something i've found that i've been able to do, and if you don't really see any use in that then you really can't be helped. People feel the need to compair it with meditation because people genually see a connection. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean the people that are doing it are fools for it. I never said that dmt wasn't usefull. I am registered on the nexus after all. I have seen such beauty on dmt that i will never forget. Not only that, DMT can serve as a launch pad to leave your body. Believe it or not, DMT has been used for thousands of years by shamans for spiritual purposes.

I'd say there is definitely need to mix the two up (atleast once in a while) the results can be quite interesting. Maybe next time attack my arguement with logical well thought out responses like mumbles here. All you are really doing is just showing how weak your position is, and how ignorant you are. I may not think it's some sacred chemical but I treat it with a lot of respect when i use it and get as much out of it as i can. Meditation on psychadelics makes you trip much harder btw, especially on dmt. I've had open eyed hallucinations of elves dancing in my field of vision urging me to zone out meditating before when i didn't even break through!