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HPBCD DMT very bioavailable sublingually under tongue, combo with tetrahydroharmine, Ayahuasca Options
 
starway7
#81 Posted : 6/8/2021 2:38:45 PM

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HI ava69...

I have my HPBCD powder and [not having my THH yet]...I did a small test with my acacia tincture..

My tincture is already in grain alcohol .. and not shure of exact amount of spice in each drop..but have a close idea...

I already know from earlier vaping sessions that i have at least a little over one mg ..of spice.. in each drop of tincture..

Instead of a spoon..

I used a small shot glass and put in atleast 12 drops of tincture ..then i added over 200mgs of HPBCD powder then added 6 or 7 drops of very hot water and mixed the contents..

I used a pipette to apply the ...[Spice alcohol HPBCD only contents]..under my toung...

I waited for 25 minutes for sublingual activity to happen...

This was a fairly low dose of spice ...but ive vaped less than half that amount before ..even as

little 5 drops of my tincture using a chore boy pad with torch lighter the spice vaped fast and and strongly with a thick vapor...

So this 12 drops of tincture ..[probibly equaling between 10 and 12 mgs of spice]... hardly did anything sublingually?

Maybe it was because i didnt use any THH before the HBPCD this time??

Although ....knowing that 12 mgs of my tincture ..VAPED...would have hit me fast and hard!... but did nothing sublingually?.... suggests that i need a much higher dose of spice more liike in the 40 to 60 mg range?

Or maybe not using the THH first!....made all the difference???

Its a little early to make too many assumptions...but it almost appears that taking the THH oraly first... then vaping a much lower dose of Spice... could save a lot of spice and work well....?

In an old report i read that... 200mgs of thh orally and 20mgs of spice orally worked great...

I should get my thh soon ....and ill try it first orally... then vape 10 or 15 mgs pf spice and see what happens...

 

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#82 Posted : 6/8/2021 3:40:49 PM

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Starway7, thanks for replies...please go back and look at the DMT strength table & Shulgin level 5 journey report on post #76. When using oral DMT or sublingual DMT, you will need to use higher doses than "vaped dmt". For example, I have done Ayahuasca 70 times using 30 to 40g of Hawaiian psychotria with Caapi each time. 30g Hawaiian psychotria contains approximately 60mg of DMT, 40g contains around 80mg DMT. This is where the real Journey's kick ass, at 30g leaf or 60mg DMT.

I would not experiment with alcoholic tinctures, etc. until you have the simple 2 minute kneading/crushing method down using a spoon and 10 to 12 drops of water...this is the same way scientist made the oral Ofloxacin, a second generation fluroquinolones more orally bioavailable by 54 to 89 percent, using kneading and crushing of HPBCD to the host drug, see study on post #15. Same way chemist Patrick Arnold taught how to prepare sublingual HPBCD pro-hormones back in the bodybuilding deja news user groups back in the day, which was bought out later by google groups.

The sublingual journey begins in only 1/2 the time of an oral Ayahuasca experience, so in 22 minutes vs. normal 45 minutes...identical to the "come up period" for the 100mg sublingual viagra study on page 1. But the cool thing is that it lasts the same amount of time as an oral Ayahuasca experience = 90 minutes.

There is ZERO nausea, ZERO dizziness, ZERO queasiness feelings as there is no DMT or harmine going thru the stomach and intestines, that's the tradeoff you gain for the sting you endure.

The sublingual HPBCD DMT simulates an oral Ayahuasca experience, not vaped DMT, sorry if I did not clarify that earlier. She is just as beautiful and transcendent as any of my highest dosage cactus tea experiences.

300mg THH taken 45 minutes earlier then 80mg sublingual DMT complexed to 560mg "plain" HPBCD (use 640mg HPBCD if it's the 2-hydroxy) feels to me like around 600mg plus of mescaline, she is VERY trippy, beautiful beyond belief, music is so incredible.

You will not feel anything with less than 20mg DMT complexed to 160mg 2-hydroxy HPBCD sublingually. And 20mg DMT is only a level 1 on the Shulgin strength scale from 1 to 5.

Seriously, there is nothing to be afraid of, most should up their dose to 60mg complexed to 420mg HPBCD, use 480mg if using the 2-hydroxy propyl beta cyclodextrin...I guarantee you will be flying high.

The higher dosage is needed as horsepower for the full 1.5 hour.

Post #53 is one of the most important posts of this thread and talks about the Planet in crisis, and why the Ayahuasca Queen wanted this discovered and propagated.

Post #42 contains the mind-blowing 5 hour visionary 300mg THH taken once (10.5 hour half life) + sublingual 60mg DMT complexed to 420mg HPBCD re-dosed x 3 times (every 1.5 hour) report.

The visions inspired me to buy a book on the Aztec myth of "Quetzalcoatl, the serpent of precious feathers", as I feel somehow this entity is a "teacher to mankind". I saw the brightly colored serpents many times in the 5 hours of visions, and now I understand why they are so commonly reported in Ayahuasca journeys.

They seem to possess divine knowledge that humans were not supposed to have been privileged to, but the serpents gifted this knowledge to humankind.

I recently found a 1.5 hour video on Amazon prime entitled "Ancient Alien Origins" which is all about this ancient alien flying serpent or dragon entity which is found in all religions of the world, very interesting video, highly recommend.

pic1: Sublingual & oral DMT horsepower, women riding horses, where the Queen of the forest lives, Ayahuasca.

pic2: Priestess of Quetzalcoatl
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#83 Posted : 6/10/2021 12:29:00 AM

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Well shoot, as long as I'm functional I'm going to keep posting while still in the experience.

The buttons of the letters on my phone are moving...

4.5 hours fasted

150mg THH orally administered 20 minutes prior to sublingual administration of 30mg DMT freebase complexed with 225mg HPBCD (2-hydroxy).

Full effects 15 minutes after spitting out complexed amalgam.

Regurgitation of some stomach acid, but not really nauseated. Thinking about taking an antacid prior to future experiences to mitigate regurgitation.

30mg will be my minimum for sublingual administered experiences in the future. This is a very pleasant and cleansing level currently. Music (Flock of Bleeps- Younger Brother) is wondrous and delightful. External objects have an odd flow to them. Lights jump up more. Body feels, reverberating with the music in multiple ways. No CEVs.

If I weren't so tired from work and the heat, I'd be boogying right now lol.

@ava69, I promise I'll do 60mg soon. I really want to observe the experience at dosages up to that point.

As I've written this, the effects seem to have amplified...

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Well shoot, as long as I'm functional I'm going to keep posting while still in the experience.

The buttons of the letters on my phone are moving...

4.5 hours fasted

150mg THH orally administered 20 minutes prior to sublingual administration of 30mg DMT freebase complexed with 225mg HPBCD (2-hydroxy).

Full effects 15 minutes after spitting out complexed amalgam.

Regurgitation of some stomach acid, but not really nauseated. Thinking about taking an antacid prior to future experiences to mitigate regurgitation.

30mg will be my minimum for sublingual administered experiences in the future. This is a very pleasant and cleansing level currently. Music (Flock of Bleeps- Younger Brother) is wondrous and delightful. External objects have an odd flow to them. Lights jump up more. Body feels, reverberating with the music in multiple ways. No CEVs.

If I weren't so tired from work and the heat, I'd be boogying right now lol.

@ava69, I promise I'll do 60mg soon. I really want to observe the experience at dosages up to that point.

As I've written this, the effects seem to have amplified...

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Thanks voidmatrix for beautiful report. p.s you may want to go with 1:8mg ratio of dmt to 2-hydroxy HPBCD in future which would be 30mg to 240mg, the 225 was very close however. As 2-hydroxy is 1500g/mol. and dmt is 188 g/mol, this way you will ensure in future all the dmt is enclosed within the HPBCD tornado cone. I hear you on the slow ramp up, when I first started this 2 months ago, I started at 30mg, then went up to 40mg, then 50mg, then 60mg, then 80mg. You gain a good perspective on strength this way. Glad you found the music delightful as well. Look forward to your 60mg report. The 150mg THH you used was great, as this is the average amount found in a cup of Ayahuasca tea according to Dennis Mckenna's paper attached to post #76. People often drink 2 cups of tea during the night, taking in an average of 300mg THH, which is what I use consistently.
 
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#85 Posted : 6/10/2021 12:59:59 AM

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I must've searched poorly or something, but where did you find the molar ratio information for 2-hydroxy? Thank you for clarifying that for me, I just tried to estimate a little more than a 7:1.

I already have my 40mg prepared for either tomorrow or Friday and am contemplating redosing with 50mg during the same ritual/session.

Thank you for everything.

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Ps. I enjoy your relation of the burning of DMT under the tongue being similar to the burn of a workout. I know that rewarding burn well.
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#86 Posted : 6/10/2021 1:16:12 AM

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I tryed again mixing HPBCD 200mgs...in a spoon this time with atleast 20 mgs of spice...
I kept it under toung for atleast 20 minutes and got a ton of saliva and had to spit it out after 20 minutes..

I didnt notice much effect except my couch appeared like someone over inflated it with air and appeared to be slightly floating a bit...except it was tethered to the floor like a hot air balloon..

So yes i noticed subtle effects on a low level only...

Again i never used any THH!.....maybe next time ill add that...and things will change/ for the better..

My saliva got so thick!
 
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#87 Posted : 6/10/2021 1:40:36 AM

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starway7 wrote:
I tryed again mixing HPBCD 200mgs...in a spoon this time with atleast 20 mgs of spice...
I kept it under toung for atleast 20 minutes and got a ton of saliva and had to spit it out after 20 minutes..

I didnt notice much effect except my couch appeared like someone over inflated it with air and appeared to be slightly floating a bit...except it was tethered to the floor like a hot air balloon..

So yes i noticed subtle effects on a low level only...

Again i never used any THH!.....maybe next time ill add that...and things will change/ for the better..

My saliva got so thick!


What was the duration of your experience? I'm curious since you didn't use any harmalas. It's activation without harmalas makes perfect sense since the DMT is bypassing the stomach and getting dumped straight into the bloodstream.

I want a couch like that!

It's also interesting your saliva was thick. Mine is relatively watery, and there ends up being a lot of it.

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#88 Posted : 6/10/2021 2:26:26 AM

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Voidmatrix wrote:
starway7 wrote:
I tryed again mixing HPBCD 200mgs...in a spoon this time with atleast 20 mgs of spice...
I kept it under toung for atleast 20 minutes and got a ton of saliva and had to spit it out after 20 minutes..

I didnt notice much effect except my couch appeared like someone over inflated it with air and appeared to be slightly floating a bit...except it was tethered to the floor like a hot air balloon..

So yes i noticed subtle effects on a low level only...

Again i never used any THH!.....maybe next time ill add that...and things will change/ for the better..

My saliva got so thick!


What was the duration of your experience? ...[[[about 30 or 40 minutes]]]

I'm curious since you didn't use any harmalas. It's activation without harmalas makes perfect sense since the DMT is bypassing the stomach and getting dumped straight into the bloodstream.

I want a couch like that!

It's also interesting your saliva was thick...[[maybe i was a little dehydrated?]]]

Mine is relatively watery, and there ends up being a lot of it.

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The story doesnt end HERE!


RIGHT AFTER!!.... trying the low dose sublingual test.....

I direct E vaped a tiny 12 mg dose of my Tincture!.. after evaporating all the alcohol from it..in shot glass over last couple days....

At present ...it has the thickness of honey. [and dabs onto E mest like magic!] .and it was my blend of alcohol extracted rue seed indols...and acacia spice!

Rermember telling on PM..... E MESH was set too hot! [you were right!]

I set it to temp control mode at 205... and it just gave me a very low orange glow...then when i hit the fire button ...[[no more burnt spice!]

Instead of a cannon blast come up....IT WAS OHH SO SMOOTH and gentle!!.. comming up a true vapausca experiance!

Comming up was like an imbrace of love ..not the slightest hint of panic or stress it was like riseing up to heaven..

This slowed and melowed out come up is the come up i really like ... and that was my intention when i mixed ...[the rue tincture... with the dmt tincture!]] ...50 /50...mix...

I was using an under dose also [about 8 mgs?]

Instead of high speed acelerating into dmt space...i was taken by the hand into the higher realms!

The experiance was so gentle .. i cant compleatly describe it ...like i took and angels hand ..it was nice...and thats only about 8 to 12 mg test!


Below are my two bottles of tincture....
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#89 Posted : 6/10/2021 2:29:22 AM

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Ava69, been catching up on all your posts for the last mo. It has me really excited to try it. Thanks so much for all the very detailed and informative posts on THH and HPBCD. Here's a virtual handshake 🀝 you deserve it!
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Thanks GLTASN, appreciate the kind words. Nice experiment with pics there Starway7. Summary:

I will be using this stuff for the rest of my life, so love it. I use in place of my high dose cactus tea when I trip at home now, dirt cheap, and save my rare cactus for outdoors only. She is VERY trippy, just as beautiful and transcendent as high dose cactus tea. 300mg tetrahydroharmine, or THH 45 minutes taken orally before + 80mg DMT complexed to 560mg HPBCD taken sublingually under tongue is a level 5 maxed out Shulgin strength level trip & feels to me very similar to 600mg plus of mescaline, beautiful beyond belief, neon intricate geometrics open eyed on the walls with splashes of neon color washing the walls, colored sparklets flying in the air like fireworks and fantastic closed eye visuals/visions & music is so incredible. See post #42 for 5 hour report.

Procedure: 300mg tetrahydroharmine (use from 150mg to 300mg) taken 45 minutes before orally + 80mg DMT complexed to 560mg HPBCD, use 640mg if using the 2-hydroxy propyl beta cyclodextrin using 12 drops very hot water from a nearby coffee mug all mashed together for 2 minutes on a spoon, using the end of another spoon to mash & knead it all together.

Then taken sublingually by placing bottom of tongue on to spoon, it will all adhere to bottom of tongue...hold for 15 minutes under tongue in the sublingual mucosa, then spit out any saliva (but not what's under your tongue), continue to hold any residue under tongue for 10 more minutes, never release your tongue the whole 25 minutes...press down hard with tongue the whole time to trap complex in the sublingual mucosa. 22 minutes after you begin all of this, you will go from sober to full throttle, a level 5 experience for 90 minutes, then you can re-dose by two more times every 1.5 hour in order to trip heavy all night.

If you can't tolerate the sting, you can take the HPBCD DMT orally by mixing into 200mg harmine + 150mg to 300mg THH tea all mixed together in 2oz very hot water, take at the exact same time all mixed together, just as the Shaman's do. The HPBCD DMT turns 100% clear when it hits the hot water. Use 100mg crushed vit c to make the harmine and thh absorb into the water should they be in freebase form.

I noticed those guests who can't log in can't see all the pics, so go here to see the pics:
https://drugs-forum.com/...roharmine.356477/page-2

hxxps://drugs-forum.com/threads/hpbcd-complexed-dmt-made-very-bioavailable-sublingually-under-tongue-combo-with-tetrahydroharmine.356477/page-2

(browse into the dmt/ayahuasca sub-forum)

Use a 1:1 molar ratio of DMT to HPBCD to trap all the DMT inside the tornado HPBCD cone.
This means 1:7mg weight ratio of DMT to HPBCD for the plain HPBCD.
This means 1:8mg weight ratio of DMT to HPBCD for the 2-hydroxy propyl beta cyclodextrin.

Don't forget THH doubles the half-life of the DMT, so that's why you get a 90 minute very strong trip. Very long afterglow after that as well. I am off to beach for a week, then waterpark and weight room for the summer, have a good weekend & summer.
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Ava69, I hope you don't mind but I linked your thread to the Dmt reddit. I felt like you need to receive credit for this awesome discovery. I personally feel like this will add a positive impact on our community and Dmt in general. Keep up the good work!

Ordered some hpbcd yesterday so after my tests I will be back with my trip report. Thx, Big fan
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#92 Posted : 6/12/2021 7:07:43 PM

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Something is amiss...

150mg THH administered orally 20 min before 40mg DMT freebase complexed with 360mg HPBCD sublingually administered.

Note: slept poorly, feeling torpid from work week and seasonal affective disorder (I have it in reverse during the spring and summer).

I was only able to keep the amalgam in my mouth for 8 minutes before spitting it out and purging. I'm not sure all of it was absorbed through the mucus membrane.

A combination of factors could explain why this experience was so "light" not appearing to be any greater in intensity than 30mg. Thus, not much to report. I do feel cleansed and better than before I did it.

I may try again later in the day. We'll see how we're feeling.

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A very interesting thread full of information ava69!

As you mentioned earlier in the thread I have some experience with this but I didn't pursue it too far and there didn't seem to be much interest at the time. Hardly anyone seemed to have heard of BCD and HPBCD. The only reason I had any in the first place was for complexing potent 2c analogues which later turned out to be pretty dangerous.

With the DMT dry complex I recall the crystals literally sprayed off the surface as the crystal sheet has so much tension waiting to release upon being scraped. I don't know if this is the complex or just HPBCD itself.

I think it would be good to take similar dosages of DMT Fumarate and HPBCD DMT complex on separate occasions for a fair comparison of dosage, leaving out the harmalas.
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#94 Posted : 6/13/2021 7:17:46 PM

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150mg THH administered orally (purged 10 minutes post). After 20 minutes elapsed, sublingually administered 45mg DMT freebase complexed with 360mg HPBCD.

Barely feeling any effects and am wondering what I may be doing wrong if anything.

Will attempt drinking rue tea or sublingually administering THH next time...

Sorry for the lack of fruitful information.

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Voidmatrix wrote:
150mg THH administered orally (purged 10 minutes post). After 20 minutes elapsed, sublingually administered 45mg DMT freebase complexed with 360mg HPBCD.

Barely feeling any effects and am wondering what I may be doing wrong if anything.

Will attempt drinking rue tea or sublingually administering THH next time...

Sorry for the lack of fruitful information.

One love

I think you need to keep the THH down (i.e. avoid purging) and wait longer before the complexed DMT dose. If that still doesn't do much, it's a case for increasing the dose bit by bit. Which, incidentally, seems a bit on the low side - you do weigh more than 70kg (154lb) don't you?
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Voidmatrix wrote:
150mg THH administered orally (purged 10 minutes post). After 20 minutes elapsed, sublingually administered 45mg DMT freebase complexed with 360mg HPBCD.

Barely feeling any effects and am wondering what I may be doing wrong if anything.

Will attempt drinking rue tea or sublingually administering THH next time...

Sorry for the lack of fruitful information.

One love

I think you need to keep the THH down (i.e. avoid purging) and wait longer before the complexed DMT dose. If that still doesn't do much, it's a case for increasing the dose bit by bit. Which, incidentally, seems a bit on the low side - you do weigh more than 70kg (154lb) don't you?


Hey buddy!

Thank you for the feedback. I was leaning towards some of the same conclusions.

I have been trying to scale up the DMT dosage by about 10mg in an effort to see what kind of experiences are had at each degree.

I think I may mix the THH in water instead of just eating the powder and seeing if that helps.

Will wait longer before sublingual administration as well.

And no, I'm relatively small, weighing roughly 135lbs. That along with a sensitive nervous systems creates a bit of a sensitivity to most molecules, particularly DMT.

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Ava69, I hope you don't mind but I linked your thread to the Dmt reddit. I felt like you need to receive credit for this awesome discovery. I personally feel like this will add a positive impact on our community and Dmt in general. Keep up the good work!

Ordered some hpbcd yesterday so after my tests I will be back with my trip report. Thx, Big fan
Thanks GLTASN, much appreciated. Someone else mentioned they provided the DMT reddit with a link as well, but nobody over there seems to be interested at all...they seem to be only into the few minute "roller coaster ride" of smoked DMT. The topic also seems to get buried under a hundred other posts by day's end.

I am just the opposite, I prefer the 90 minute x repeat by twice for a 4.5 hour strong experience all night, with of course 300mg THH taken 45 minutes before it all. I grew up taking Ayahuasca x 70 times & strong cactus tea x 200 times, so I like trips that resemble cactus.

The 5-day beach trip was a complete blast...there was a group of 8 of us (5 women, 3 guys). We rented a gorgeous beach house with 4 bedrooms & pool two blocks from beach. We went to waterpark the 1st day, so much fun...walked the boardwalk with our dogs early in the morning and at night, visited a couple restaurants, 2nd day went out to pier, boardwalk, played at beach, hung out at beach-house pool every afternoon and night, etc. Visited other areas of the beach, boardwalk & town next 3 days.

So nice to get away from my "air-conditioned ant hill of a job" for a long while.

We are doing this every year for 5 days we had so much fun! Back home, thankfully we have a waterpark here where I get a summer pass every summer, go at least once a week all summer long...used to lifeguard at beach in my 20's, and later trained lifeguards at waterpark I live by. Water spirit here. There were so many people at beach and on the boardwalk, absolute Heaven. I walked for 2 hours from 20th street to 50th street and back one afternoon, people-watching & stopping at several piers.

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Something is amiss...

150mg THH administered orally 20 min before 40mg DMT freebase complexed with 360mg HPBCD sublingually administered.

Note: slept poorly, feeling torpid from work week and seasonal affective disorder (I have it in reverse during the spring and summer).

I was only able to keep the amalgam in my mouth for 8 minutes before spitting it out and purging. I'm not sure all of it was absorbed through the mucus membrane.

A combination of factors could explain why this experience was so "light" not appearing to be any greater in intensity than 30mg. Thus, not much to report. I do feel cleansed and better than before I did it.

I may try again later in the day. We'll see how we're feeling.

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150mg THH administered orally (purged 10 minutes post). After 20 minutes elapsed, sublingually administered 45mg DMT freebase complexed with 360mg HPBCD.

Barely feeling any effects and am wondering what I may be doing wrong if anything.

Will attempt drinking rue tea or sublingually administering THH next time...

Sorry for the lack of fruitful information.

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Hey buddy!

Thank you for the feedback (downwardsfromzero). I was leaning towards some of the same conclusions.

I have been trying to scale up the DMT dosage by about 10mg in an effort to see what kind of experiences are had at each degree.

I think I may mix the THH in water instead of just eating the powder and seeing if that helps.

Will wait longer before sublingual administration as well.

And no, I'm relatively small, weighing roughly 135lbs. That along with a sensitive nervous systems creates a bit of a sensitivity to most molecules, particularly DMT.

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Keep up the good work Voidmatrix.

Don't forget, this can also be used orally with 200mg harmine + 150 to 300mg THH as well, all mixed together into 2oz hot water tea, and taken at exact same time, use 100mg crushed vit C to help harmalas absorb should they be in freebase form, mix and drink all at exact same time just as Shaman's do...several factors stronger than DMT salts, 60mg feels just like actual 30g Hawaiian psychotria leaf, 80mg HPBCD DMT feels just like 40mg Hawaiian psychotria leaf, VERY STRONG, 70mg HPBCD DMT is like sit in your seat and don't move for 1 hour strong. The HPBCD DMT turns 100% completely clear when it hits the 2oz hot water tea, totally translucent.

With 70mg HPBCD DMT mixed into 200mg harmine + 300mg THH 2oz hot water tea, on earlier trip, saw walls fill with intricate 3-D honeycomb brown & orange geometrics, neon splashes of color floating in the air, music incredible, closed eye geometrics morphing and spinning. All objects around me caught in a sort of "teleportation like fortress of neon color". High frequency body vibration was very strong.

Hope to hear a report from you one day as well GLTASN. Thanks for tips downwardsfromzero.

I used to be slightly over the weight of Voidmatrix (150 lbs) until my freshman friend in college dragged me to the fieldhouse gym the football players worked out at, put on 30lbs of muscle in two years after that. I remember the first day I worked out, puked pretty hard when I got back to dorm room. Very sore for a few weeks, then it got easier to handle after that.

On the day I went to waterpark, I downed a 6oz boiled down tea made from 2 x 12" long medium size (2.5" thick diameter) strong REAL san pedro that I had prepared before the trip (kept frozen till re-heated), super bitter and tripped my ass off at the waterpark...I always take cactus tea anytime I go to waterpark, been doing that for years. Complete blast. The tea felt like about 500mg of mescaline.

I've never purged from taking THH, try putting it in a capsule voidmatrix? my weight is 210, bodyfat 12%. Weight lifter since my early 20's. I get zero nausea and zero dizziness from it, completely benign to me. Only slight dizziness if I go above 300mg, but none at all below that.

As mentioned earlier, 300mg THH taken 45 minutes earlier, then sublingual 80mg DMT complexed to 560mg HPBCD (use 640mg if using the 2-hydroxy PBCD) feels to me very similar to 600mg plus of mescaline, absolutely beautiful beyond belief, which is what I use to trip on at home all the time now, and save my cactus for outdoors only. I re-dose the sublingual HPBCD DMT every 1.5 hour to continue the journey and fun for 4.5 hours total.

I just wanted to say that if it weren't for downwardsfromzero, none of this would have been communicated in the first place, this entire discovery. We go way back to the subject of morning glory & HBWR seeds. He is the one who brought me on board as a new member. I may be a lab rat, but he is a chemical and chemical diagramming genius who explains it all. Teamwork by everyone here.

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I acquired some 2hpbcd and gave sublingual a try with around 40mg fb to 320mg 2hpbcd. Unfortunately I found the sting to be equal to sublingual salts, which is just too painful for me. Maybe I am extra sensitive.

Anyway I'm excited to try an oral dose.
 
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fog wrote:
I acquired some 2hpbcd and gave sublingual a try with around 40mg fb to 320mg 2hpbcd. Unfortunately I found the sting to be equal to sublingual salts, which is just too painful for me. Maybe I am extra sensitive.

Anyway I'm excited to try an oral dose.



Im wondering ....?...if the ...2hpbcd..we can get today ..is the same formula of .[ hpbcd ] that ava69 obtained a long while ago?

Could ava69s hpbcd ...be more effective than the [2hpbcd] we get today? ?
 
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starway7 wrote:
fog wrote:
I acquired some 2hpbcd and gave sublingual a try with around 40mg fb to 320mg 2hpbcd. Unfortunately I found the sting to be equal to sublingual salts, which is just too painful for me. Maybe I am extra sensitive.

Anyway I'm excited to try an oral dose.



Im wondering ....?...if the ...2hpbcd..we can get today ..is the same formula of .[ hpbcd ] that ava69 obtained a long while ago?

Could ava69s hpbcd ...be more effective than the [2hpbcd] we get today? ?

There are hints that this could be the case. One or the other - the older version, IIRC - has more hydroxypropyl groups attached and it seems this makes it more easy to absorb sublingually. It may be possible to track down a full chemical analysis of the two respective types.

Another possibility is that they are isomeric as there are two ways that what is essentially a propylene glycol molecule can be attached to the cyclodextrin (not even taking into account the possible different substitution sites on the cyclodextrin molecule itself). The outcome can be influenced by the reaction conditions used in the production of the HPBCD. It's very likely that the two different batches were produced differently and this will affect their properties in use.
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