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Correspondence between Syrian rue and banisteriopsis caapi Options
 
Tomtegubbe
#1 Posted : 4/11/2021 3:06:36 PM

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What is the equivalency between banisteriopsis caapi and Syrian rue to get the desired maoi effects? I never go beyond 5 grams with rue. 3 grams is usually fine. Now that I have some caapi in my possessions I'd like to have some idea on how much should I take it to get into the range of 3-5 grams of Syrian rue. The caapi I have is var. yellow.
 

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#2 Posted : 4/11/2021 9:01:00 PM

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Rue seeds are reported to have 2 - 10 % harmalas (though Harmaline is supposedly a stronger mao inhibitor than harmine)

While caapi vine is said to have 0.3 - 0.8 % harmalas.

50g was said to me to be a minimum dose of caapi, but I found it quite strong, in a different way than 5g rue is.

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#3 Posted : 4/11/2021 9:13:53 PM

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Ok thanks! I have a bag of 50 grams and I'm thinking whether I can split that with a friend. Hmm... Interesting!
 
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#4 Posted : 4/12/2021 6:28:06 PM

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Tomtegubbe wrote:
Ok thanks! I have a bag of 50 grams and I'm thinking whether I can split that with a friend. Hmm... Interesting!


Please share what your experience is. I am very very curious as I hear about difference of experience between harmine and harmaline.

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#5 Posted : 4/25/2021 2:05:23 AM

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I boiled 50 grams of yellow caapi 3 x 30 minutes and boil reduced the liquid to volume of less than pint. Froze the remaining caapi for another extraction.

Boy, this was potent. I added 2.5 g of mhrb (raw powder, soaked in lemon juice) an hour later, meditated and listened to icaro songs. Very healing. Went through lots of heavy stuff. Harmala heavy trip is quite different from the DMT heavy trip. Any more of DMT and I would have thrown it all up immediately.

I really had no idea about it's potency beforehand, but this felt like at least 8-9 g of syrian rue. I barely managed to keep nausea out with lemon essential oil and very little amount of MJ.

Very powerful and meaningful dive inside. I didn't realize how long it takes for the world to settle so that you can sleep.

Different character from syrian rue. Very grounded. Very nauseating.
 
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#6 Posted : 4/25/2021 2:11:30 PM

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Tomtegubbe wrote:
I boiled 50 grams of yellow caapi 3 x 30 minutes and boil reduced the liquid to volume of less than pint.

That sounds like a very short boil. More typically it's brewed 3 x 8 hours.

Glad to hear you had a good experience.
 
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#7 Posted : 4/25/2021 2:57:51 PM

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Jagube wrote:
Tomtegubbe wrote:
I boiled 50 grams of yellow caapi 3 x 30 minutes and boil reduced the liquid to volume of less than pint.

That sounds like a very short boil. More typically it's brewed 3 x 8 hours.

Glad to hear you had a good experience.

Yes, I was aware of it and was very glad it worked out. It's interesting to see if I give a long boil to the remaining caapi if there are still alkaloids in there.

It would be interesting to hear if other people have success with this shorter boil. I like to experiment on how to make the process easier.

I usually just add lemon and take rue powder and mhrb raw and it works fine.
 
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#8 Posted : 4/25/2021 10:25:24 PM

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Thanks for sharing the outcome with us. Good data.

Thinking of boiling 25g powdered I have and assay that alone to assess effects compared to rue subjectively.

Thank you again for the insight for the rue tea. I have been drinking it often and love the balancing effect it has on me. Have been using 3g pretty regularly but would like to see how 4g and 5g feels also.

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#9 Posted : 4/26/2021 7:25:15 AM

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Voidmatrix wrote:

Thank you again for the insight for the rue tea. I have been drinking it often and love the balancing effect it has on me. Have been using 3g pretty regularly but would like to see how 4g and 5g feels also.

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Thank you for reminding. I could do that myself more often. With harmalas you get to exercise your inner qualities, staying calm and balanced. Much of the DMT experience cannot be grasped before you progress in the inner work.
 
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#10 Posted : 4/26/2021 1:14:45 PM

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Tomtegubbe wrote:
Much of the DMT experience cannot be grasped before you progress in the inner work.


I tend to agree, and while some of this inner work can be done with the use of DMT alone, it appears to be the long and hard way, which isn't necessarily a bad things, but maybe nonpreferable and with higher potential of "getting lost" along the way.

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