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Ethereal1
#1 Posted : 4/5/2021 3:58:44 AM

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Hello all! Longime lurker but new member to the forum. I have been fermenting Amanita Muscaria for years now but I can't seem to find any information about it on here. I stumbled upon a scientific paper years ago when I was researching possible ingredients in soma and it spoke of muscimol production and no ibotenic acid in a fermentation broth in an identical process for making wine, except using amanita instead of yeast. Apparently the fungus also has a yeast like state and this is what prompted me to try it. The odor can be a little funky depending on your sugar source (I have been told my honey brew smells like vomit), but have had great results and experiences with this method. Grape and cherry juice have become my go tos for sugar sources lately but I was curious if anybody else out there is doing this? Also it was about 8 years ago I found the paper but I will see if I can find it again and post it on here.
 

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#2 Posted : 4/5/2021 11:02:18 AM
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Hi!

Are you sure it's the fungi that is acting as yeast and not just some wild yeast that rode along on the surface of the mushroom? Wild yeast is everywhere, and beer have been spontaneously fermented for centuries by just leaving the barrels sitting out. If Amanita Muscaria has the ability to break down sugar into alcohol, that would be amazingly cool.
 
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#3 Posted : 4/5/2021 5:17:03 PM

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It is producing muscimol not alcohol. I actually found a thread about it. https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=67932
 
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#4 Posted : 4/5/2021 6:38:40 PM

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I've made a little thread about it as well. You're very welcome to read and join the discussion.
link to the mentioned thread

I've done research in to the holy grail method some time ago. The core idea (according to my understanding) is indeed worth of pursuing and exploring. There are some flaws - because how the supposed author of the holy grail does it can easily bring many contaminants in. I've read long discussion about this approach on the web but I've never been able to find any conclusions about what actually happens, only some claims and stories and speculations.

There is actually a very simple way to do it, though I have not tried to perform it myself. What one should do IMO is to cultivate some mycelium from A. muscaria spores on agar plates. After achieving a clean culture on agar plates on would simply inoculate a nutrient rich solution with it via. liquid culture style. Basically it's the same as the holy grail idea with a major difference of starting the LC with clean inoculation material.
 
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#5 Posted : 4/6/2021 12:35:38 AM
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Holy crap! I'm greateful you are interested in this.
Amanita muscaria is a great entheogen. Really on of my favorites.
But!
Is really important that you prepare it properly.

It has iboteic acid.
It is assumed to be neurotoxic but from my experience I dont find it so.
The toxicity studies used very high doses and IV method of administration.
So this is by no means a well done study to determin that.
There exist the iboteic acid poisoning syndrom. That is basically you being into come till the effect wears off, along with nausea vomiting and so on.
But!
So

The usual method used to convert the iboteic acid to muscimol is decarboxilation.

Drying the amanita caps at 74ºC coverts roughly 30% of ibo to muscimol
Boiling it at low set coverts another 30% .
And finally letting it sit in a acidic medium for 2 days converts another 30%

So

Thats usually how i prepare it. And it grants you avoiding the nasty iboteic acid effects.
But i have to say that letting there be iboteic acid gives a different experience than getting rid of all of it.

So I like there to be some ibo in there. Thats merely personal preference.

When you convert all the ibo to muscimol the experience is more smooth.
Ibo is more stimulant like. Muscimol is more sleepish dreamy like.

Anyway

There is another method to converting all of the ibo to muscimol, and that is fermentation!
With lactobacilius.

I boil the amanitas with milk. I pass them throught a strainer and let the milk cool.
While it is still warm, I add greek yougurt. I make sure it has some lactobacilius bulgaricus in there. The original greek yougurt has it.

It needs to be added while it is warm so the bacteria can revive.

I let it then to be at room but rather warm temperature.

The studies say that this way 99% of the iboteic acid converts to muscimol.

I made a yougurt this way, and I have to say i felt 0 speediness related to iboteic acid.

Also amanita isnt usually a visual mushrom. But! When i took the yougurt, I went to sleep and saw a white bright light in the darkness. Barely noticeable but still there.
And pretty much didnt trip much.
It was really smooth.

Also i have to say that all the mushrooms i used for the yougurt were burnt while drying them, so they had decreased potency.

I want to repeat the experiment, but definitively the conversion is there, the difference in effects was there.

Great great mushroom.
Sleeping is great and vivid dreaming is present and enhanced.

Well, if you want to know all the details about this mushroom, there is a yt channel but because it was getting much censorship, the owner decided to make a site so she could upload all the content she wanted without any censor.
The channel is called amanita dreamer.
https://www.amanitadreamer.net/
Thats her site.
And she made a forum as well.
https://forum.amanitaresearch.com/

So there you will find all the info you need.

Enjoy!
 
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#6 Posted : 4/6/2021 10:11:22 AM
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Ethereal1 wrote:
It is producing muscimol not alcohol.


Yes, thanks for correcting me. The fermentation methods I've seen for doing the conversion from iboteic acid to muscimol are using lactobacillus. If the fungi itself is able to operate as a yeast, that would be quite a discovery. I think Triglav's suggested approach is the best way of finding this out. Next time I come across some Amanitas I'm gonna give it a try myself!
 
 
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