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dithyramb
#101 Posted : 10/26/2020 9:41:51 PM

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Hey Jees! Wouldn't juicing bring out all the alkaloids including undesirables?

As for cold extraction, it might work if you manage to not have it spoiled. My first cold extraction attempt went rancid over a single night. The sterilizing effect of heating is important, apparently. Perhaps a vinegar soak would be successful.
 

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#102 Posted : 10/27/2020 12:28:37 PM

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dithyramb wrote:
Hey Jees! Wouldn't juicing bring out all the alkaloids including undesirables?...
Probably. It would likely reduce plant mass only, which could ease things during extraction having all that matter out of the way. Would it not be easy to pull directly on the basified juice, if this was ever possible? No cooking (but maybe some volume reducing is necessary after all). Just a thought-experiment though.
 
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#103 Posted : 10/31/2020 12:46:46 PM

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I picked 238g of Feesey strain at sunrise today. After weighing and picking off the critters, the grass was placed in a juice extraction steamer and steamed for 3 hours. The initial amount of water in the base of the steamer was lightly acidified with 10mL of 25% acetic acid. If trying again, I'd omit the acid but this time it was used because there was limescale in the pan!

As soon as a sufficient volume had collected, 100mL of the resulting juice was tested in two portions about ten minutes apart. At the half-hour point I ate a slice of buttered toast and ten minutes later laid down to meditate with shaded eyes. In the ensuing state of relaxation it became apparent that the plant spirit was indeed present.

Like a pleasant glow from within, it spread out to my extremities. This was a threshold dose at best, but it was at least apparent that the plant demands respect in its usage. Hints of visions behind closed eyelids came only with deep relaxation. Their resemblance to the plant itself was perhaps unsurprising.

After about twenty minutes I got up from my bed in order to attend to the steamer which was still running and required topping up. (In all, 3L of water were used.) At this time there was a hint of a possibility of a headache developing but instead mild paraesthesias were noted at the back of my head and neck and the headache dispersed without further discomfort. [It feels as though thinking too much about a headache now as I type this could induce one.]

The gentle effects proceeded to decline over the next two hours although I still feel as though in a state of sensitization, along with an emotional strengthening effect. Suffice to say, I'll be approaching the remaining 700mL of juice with considerable care.


Thanks for the inspiration, in part from this very thread, which has led me to explore in this direction. Turning urine into alkaloids by feeding it to plants seems to be a worthwhile goal Thumbs up
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#104 Posted : 10/31/2020 3:46:30 PM

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downwardsfromzero wrote:
I picked 238g of Feesey strain at sunrise today. [..]
As soon as a sufficient volume had collected, 100mL of the resulting juice was tested in two portions about ten minutes apart. [..] Suffice to say, I'll be approaching the remaining 700mL of juice with considerable care.

Thanks for sharing!

Just to clarify: the juice volume was a total of 800ml, you drank 100ml, which was equivalent to 29.75g of fresh grass?
 
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#105 Posted : 10/31/2020 8:25:09 PM

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Roughly speaking, yes. The initial juice may have been stronger, or weaker, and/or of a different alkaloid profile compared to the remaining volume. And whatever way you look at it, the juice has obviously been diluted by the condensed steam as there's no way 238g of (damp) grass could contain 800mL of juice!

There were used actually two different versions of this "Raspberries and Cream" Feesey - one from a garden centre and the other collected from a wild/feral situation. The notable difference was that the feral specimens produce lateral shoots from the stems, from which the plant can spread as though with runners. These lateral shoots have a very red area at the base, which I consider highly promising. No lateral shoots were observed on the garden centre specimen.

My remaining question to ponder is - how to proceed? Just drink the rest of the juice, or attempt to separate out unwanted components? TLC would be a good idea but tbh, I really need to get myself together a bit more first.
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#106 Posted : 10/31/2020 8:36:46 PM

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Thanks for joining in, downwardsfromzero!

Arundinacea is a species which I have not started exploring yet, partly because of the reported high variability.

Great that you felt it's spirit. You did not mention drinking an maoi and it seems like this was a single plant experience. I suspect that some phalaris species might be orally active without maoi, and perhaps without maoi, some of the "toxic" alkaloids might be benign and/or synergistic with the tryptamines.

Interesting about urine... I was thinking about using nettle compost.

Looking forward to your future reports!
 
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#107 Posted : 10/31/2020 9:58:42 PM

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One more thing - I swirled each sip around my mouth as much as I could before swallowing it, in the hope that some buccal absorption might occur.

(Also of note, perhaps - that morning I had eaten 2 fresh dates and drunk one cup of black tea prior to trying the grass juice.)

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Interesting about urine... I was thinking about using nettle compost.

I've grown mushrooms with a hair supplement, cacti with fingernail and toenail supplements and so growing phalaris with my urine seemed only logical Very happy

The hunch about the lateral shoots/offsets is worth following up. There's fair reason that such a shoot might have an increased alkaloid content. An experiment that specifically examines the offsets would require larger amounts of mature plants, which will take me at least a year.
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#108 Posted : 11/9/2020 9:12:30 PM

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Hi, anyone knows what's this? :


 
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#109 Posted : 11/10/2020 2:24:01 PM

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A view of as much detail of as many plant parts as possible would help. Your specimen displays viviparous behaviour - "Phalaris vivipara" turns up as a synonym for P. brachystachys so you could well be in luck...
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#110 Posted : 11/14/2020 10:57:16 PM

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A view of as much detail of as many plant parts as possible would help. Your specimen displays viviparous behaviour - "Phalaris vivipara" turns up as a synonym for P. brachystachys so you could well be in luck...

Thank you very much. I thought it was one of the aquatica that had some genetic difference.

I will learn about, even if I have not saved the seeds; but I have a couple of plantsSmile
 
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#111 Posted : 11/15/2020 1:04:40 PM

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The seed structure, especially the sterile lemma gives away brachystachys.

The seeds of all the grassses in the photos were planted three weeks ago. All seeds were harvested last spring. 1- brachystachys strain 1. 2- br strain 2. 3- br strain 3. 4- aquatica. 5- truncata.

The differences in germination and growth rate could be due to genetics or differences in soil. I dug up soil from the same area but a local villager informed me that even soil side by side can be different and can be judged by its color and the humus on it. Today I have them some sheep manure tea for the first time.
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#112 Posted : 11/15/2020 9:01:15 PM

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Sheep manure tea... if you were lucky with sheep manure you might be able to grow some liberty caps in amongst your Phalaris.
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#113 Posted : 11/16/2020 2:03:13 AM

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Do we know whether liberty caps can colonize on phalaris roots?

As cool as that would be, I would appreciate it immensely to just find them around this area. I have heard they grow in this part of the country but have not had the opportunity to look for them yet. This fall has been exceptionally dry so far over here and we are still waiting for the mushroom spawning rains. Liberty caps are the dearest 💓



 
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