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Violet Quark
#1 Posted : 8/24/2020 10:42:09 AM

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Hi Folks
Briefly, I made what I thought was Changa but it was no better/even worse than smoking pure spice.
I tried to extract the Harmala from caapi leaves by boiling 10g of leaves in distilled water for a long time (can't remember exactly it was a while back). I took the strained water and boiled it down until it was thick and brown then pored this over 1g of leaves and allowed to dry. This is now 11 times as potent as before (I thought).
These ground leaves were now really dark and chunky looking. I dissolved 1g spice in some IPA and poured this over the leaves and when it had all dried I went for it.
I smoked various amounts of this substance but it never really got me past the visuals and the after effects were terrible. I felt really tired for a couple of days and couldn't get any motivation for anything.
I read about putting the leaves in a solvent for a week or more and then evaporating this onto fresh leaves. I have 70% and 100% IPA available and wondered if this would do a better job?
There is a lot of info out there and I've read a lot of it but it's confused me even ore than before, so this is why I'm asking directly.
Also, I don't want to waste any more spice until I have a better method so any suggestions would really help.
Thanks for looking
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#2 Posted : 8/24/2020 1:18:44 PM
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You want purer harmalas. Extracting your harmalas by evaporating distilled water like you have chosen is not very selective,yields harmala salts instead of freebase and will pull plant fats among other impurities which will takeup valuable dmt/harmala lungspace not allowing you to go deeper. Perform a manske(found in the wiki) to seperate the alkaloid salts from solution, you can then repeat the manske to further clean or freebase your harmalas with sodium carbonate and add the FREEBASE harmalas to your changa. Harmala salts consist of a harmaline/harman/thh molecule bound to a salt which makes the harmala more stable to degradation, exposing heat to the salt form causes whatever salt it is bound to to decompose into salt byproducts. The freebase is just a harmaline/harman/thh molecule alone. The salt form is used for oral/nasal/sublingual/rectal administration because its polarity lends itself best to being absorbed by those mucous membranes providing higher bioavailability. The freebase is used for vaporization because it has a lower boiling point than the salt form and is more soluble in lipids. Smoking salts is likely why you experienced unpleasant aftereffects. 10g of caapi leaf is such a miniscule amount of harmalas you would be better off using more leaf matter if extracting or adding the dmt directly to the dried caapi leaf. Whenever I have added pure harmalas to acetone or ipa it has dissolved only traces so no ipa would be a much less effective solvent on the wiki there are easy to follow teks for harmala extraction using water as a solvent. If you yield anything black and gooey dont add a gram of dmt to it! I wish you the best of luck on your endeavor harmalas are remarkable medicine.
 
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#3 Posted : 8/24/2020 3:47:04 PM

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Your spice is not wasted necessarily. Put your bad changa in warm acetone (or IPA) stir/shake and filter. All your spice is now in the acetone and can be reused.

Regarding your changa, I had success with 10X caapi but 1g dmt to 1g of 10X leaf is by far too much for me. I would start with 3:1 or 4:1 ( 10X leaf: spice ) and add more spice as needed on subsequent soaks.
 
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#4 Posted : 8/24/2020 8:18:42 PM

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Thanks for the info Observe.
I checked the manske TEK out. It's for Rue seeeds, will it be OK to use caapi leaves?
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#5 Posted : 8/25/2020 2:37:07 PM
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I dont know. If making changa with caapi leaves I use the caapi leaf as my base herb since harmalas are active at 5-10mg vaporized for me. Freebase harmalas derived from rue and jungle dmt on mullein is my go to.

I realize this is slightly off topic. Changa is great for bypassing tolerance,increasing potency and duration, I have found ingesting 100mg harmalas orally 1hour prior to vaporization to be more effective at amplification. This harmala predosing allows me to breakthrough on 1 hit almost everytime requiring less than 30mg for a 15-20min breakthrough followed by 40minutes of open/closed eye visuals akin to a solid shroom dose tapering off. When I return from breakthrough I can vape more dmt/changa which is greatly boosted by the following 40minutes of tapering hallucinations/inhibition, I had a 1+ hour breakthrough by taking a 2nd hit of changa in this window. By far my favorite method of administration the harmala predose gets rid of my preflight anxiety and makes the dmt less jarring/more integrate.
 
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#6 Posted : 8/26/2020 11:02:55 AM

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observe wrote:
I dont know. If making changa with caapi leaves I use the caapi leaf as my base herb since harmalas are active at 5-10mg vaporized for me. Freebase harmalas derived from rue and jungle dmt on mullein is my go to.

I realize this is slightly off topic. Changa is great for bypassing tolerance,increasing potency and duration, I have found ingesting 100mg harmalas orally 1hour prior to vaporization to be more effective at amplification. This harmala predosing allows me to breakthrough on 1 hit almost everytime requiring less than 30mg for a 15-20min breakthrough followed by 40minutes of open/closed eye visuals akin to a solid shroom dose tapering off. When I return from breakthrough I can vape more dmt/changa which is greatly boosted by the following 40minutes of tapering hallucinations/inhibition, I had a 1+ hour breakthrough by taking a 2nd hit of changa in this window. By far my favorite method of administration the harmala predose gets rid of my preflight anxiety and makes the dmt less jarring/more integrate.



Nothing is off topic really because I always want to learn. All info is good Smile

I think I'll get some rue seeds and do an extraction on those.

Thanks again
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Violet Quark
#7 Posted : 8/26/2020 11:05:17 AM

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Regarding your changa, I had success with 10X caapi but 1g dmt to 1g of 10X leaf is by far too much for me. I would start with 3:1 or 4:1 ( 10X leaf: spice ) and add more spice as needed on subsequent soaks.

How did you make the 10x caapi please?
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monomind
#8 Posted : 8/27/2020 8:43:55 AM

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I soaked it in IPA for few weeks ( instructions can be found on the nexus... )
If you do a water boil to achieve the same thing make sure you filter it well, no need to work with it in a brown goo consistency.

 
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#9 Posted : 8/27/2020 10:59:10 AM

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Thanks Monomind
I sent for some Rue but will also try this Smile
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