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Ufostrahlen
#21 Posted : 7/21/2015 5:59:38 AM

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Ufostrahlen wrote:
spirit: the software that runs the hardware.
spirituality: knowledge about software.
spiritual: being more of a software person than a hardware person (software engineer vs. electronics engineer)

First, let's be more precise:

Code:
spirit: the software that runs _in_ the hardware.


The Traveler wrote:
What if the software is 'hardwired'?

You mean like a ROM or EPROM? Well, look at the source code. Can you touch it? Inhale it? Or put it in your mouth? It's purely virtual. Only when you burn the ROM, you see a different atomic structure in the silicon chip. Something I would call: "atomic correlate of information".

So, if you are a materialist you could argue, that the source code is an electron state in the RAM, which is considered matter due to the electron's mass. Then think of information as a photon traveling an optical fibre or a laser beam - photons are massless (=! relativistic mass like light pressure). I think light or information is a good example of the "spiritual" nature in contrast to the "material" nature, like silicon wafer or copper wires.

Something I learned yesterday and is worthwhile to note:

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Calculating Space is the title of MIT's English translation of Konrad Zuse's 1969 book Rechnender Raum (literally: "space that is computing"), the first book on digital physics.[1]
Zuse proposed that the universe is being computed by some sort of cellular automaton or other discrete computing machinery,[1] challenging the long-held view that some physical laws are continuous by nature. He focused on cellular automata as a possible substrate of the computation, and pointed out (among other things) that the classical notions of entropy and its growth do not make sense in deterministically computed universes.

1969!
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#22 Posted : 7/21/2015 5:13:11 PM
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Ufostrahlen wrote:

Something I learned yesterday and is worthwhile to note:

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Calculating Space is the title of MIT's English translation of Konrad Zuse's 1969 book Rechnender Raum (literally: "space that is computing"), the first book on digital physics.[1]
Zuse proposed that the universe is being computed by some sort of cellular automaton or other discrete computing machinery,[1] challenging the long-held view that some physical laws are continuous by nature. He focused on cellular automata as a possible substrate of the computation, and pointed out (among other things) that the classical notions of entropy and its growth do not make sense in deterministically computed universes.

1969!


^..this is good stuff Ufostrahlen..
when i have a chance to ponder and meditate i'll get back to this thread..

but, in quantum mechanical terms - where IS the information?

thanks Ufostrahlen, (and also Traveler for setting up that response Pleased ) and the other contributors..
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Ufostrahlen
#23 Posted : 7/22/2015 7:06:29 PM

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Psybin wrote:
I like this. Pleased I tend to feel like DMT allows us to see the code our brain is running on, and even rewrite it at times.

nen888 wrote:
^..this is good stuff Ufostrahlen..
when i have a chance to ponder and meditate i'll get back to this thread..

You're welcome nen888 and Psybin.

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but, in quantum mechanical terms - where IS the information?

Good question, I don't know. At least it's not present in the Newtonian physics space - or in other words: the Newtonian physics space is probably a subset of quantum mechanics or digital physics and doesn't apply to the consciousness phenomena.

I hope I don't bore the Nexus, but Thomas Campbell is on the non-academic forefront of "digital physics and metaphysical implications" like entities, precognitive dreams, remote viewing, OBEs etc. I like his approach to the metaphysics realm, since he's not your average woo fairy - he's a NASA physicists/programmer/Matlab dude.

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THOMAS W. CAMPBELL is currently
consulting in the field of Probabilistic Design
Analysis for NASA. He has over 36 years of
experience working with the Department of
Defense in several fields, including systems
engineering; technology development; physicsbased
modeling and simulation; algorithm and
software development; intelligence analysis;
radars, antenna, and electronic environments
analysis; system security engineering;
technology transfer, reuse, and insertion;
engineering management and program
management; and system risk and vulnerability.
He received a B.S. in Physics as well as an M.S.
in Physics. His Ph.D. work specialized in
Experimental Nuclear Physics with a thesis in
low-energy nuclear collisions.


His book: My Big Toe: Awakening, Discovery, Inner Workings: A Trilogy Unifying Philosophy, Physics, and Metaphysics

His Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/twcjr44

Maybe this video sheds more light on where the information is located:



It's also funny to note that the fathers of quantum mechanics like Max Planck, Erwin Schrödinger or Werner Heisenberg were very "spiritual" physicists. Planck even proposed a unification of religion and sciences, opposed to the triumph of science over religion.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Max_Planck

Max Planck wrote:
Both religion and science require a belief in God. For believers, God is in the beginning, and for physicists He is at the end of all considerations… To the former He is the foundation, to the latter, the crown of the edifice of every generalized world view.

Max Planck wrote:
I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness.


https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Werner_Heisenberg

Werner Heisenberg wrote:
I think that modern physics has definitely decided in favor of Plato. In fact the smallest units of matter are not physical objects in the ordinary sense; they are forms, ideas which can be expressed unambiguously only in mathematical language.


https://en.wikiquote.org.../Erwin_Schr%C3%B6dinger

Erwin Schrödinger wrote:
Nirvana is a state of pure blissful knowledge... It has nothing to do with the individual. The ego or its separation is an illusion. Indeed in a certain sense two "I"'s are identical namely when one disregards all special contents — their Karma. The goal of man is to preserve his Karma and to develop it further... when man dies his Karma lives and creates for itself another carrier.

Erwin Schrödinger wrote:
In itself, the insight is not new. The earliest records, to my knowledge, date back some 2500 years or more... the recognition ATMAN = BRAHMAN (the personal self equals the omnipresent, all-comprehending eternal self) was in Indian thought considered, far from being blasphemous, to represent the quintessence of deepest insight into the happenings of the world. The striving of all the scholars of Vedanta was after having learnt to pronounce with their lips, really assimilate in their minds this grandest of all thoughts.

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Rising Spirit
#24 Posted : 5/30/2020 4:05:46 AM

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Citta wrote:
To me the term means cutting through the illusion of the self, by whatever means at our disposal.


Beautifully said, Citta. I feel that Spiritus is that seemingly unseen force which dances throughout all of creation, whichever frequency of being it manifests as, whichever form it assumes, it still vibrates symbiotically with all other frequencies. It is present within all phenomena, yet bound by nothing. It is a changeless circle, forever changing into new possibilities (paradoxically so).

My spin is admittedly, more than somewhat leaning towards Unified Field theory, quantum physics and M theory (all 5 string theories entwined as one seamless thread). That said, my foundations are stemmed fundamentally in New Thought, Kriya Yoga, Advaita Vedanta and Taoism.

You are so spot on, for as the voyager shifts attention exponentially, awareness of light dawns within the mind of the innermost witness, as the frozen mesmerism of self-identification and the mirage of self-awareness shatters into so much cosmic dust... consciousness holds fast and crystalizes an unwaivering focus, which finds it's truest center within the ever present moment. There are many paths ascending into the beyondest of beyonds.
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#25 Posted : 6/8/2020 2:46:25 PM

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Rising Spirit wrote:
Citta wrote:
To me the term means cutting through the illusion of the self, by whatever means at our disposal.

You are so spot on, for as the voyager shifts attention exponentially, awareness of light dawns within the mind of the innermost witness, as the frozen mesmerism of self-identification and the mirage of self-awareness shatters into so much cosmic dust... consciousness holds fast and crystalizes an unwaivering focus, which finds it's truest center within the ever present moment. There are many paths ascending into the beyondest of beyonds.
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Beautiful words, Rising Spirit!
 
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#26 Posted : 6/10/2020 10:07:25 PM

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soulfood wrote:
Spirituality to me is the concept surrounding the awareness of the well-being of ones character not related to physical health or financial state etc.

Kind of a more sterile translation of some of the above definitions.

Spiritual wellness could be defined as how well one reacts to the world in absence of all other comforts through natural contentment or inner strength. By this definition, religion's not actually all that spiritual Razz


Quite right.

To me spirituality is something like a feeling, comprised of part wonder, part awe, part feeling small and part feeling all. DMT experiences have been deeply spiritual as they have this element of something 'higher' that has no english definition besides the term 'spiritual'. It's simply something 'more' that can only be experienced and never truly explained. Perhaps neuroscientists would disagree, but I have to give credit to any scientist who digs spirituality and does not dismiss it. And a lot of them have taken psychs... go figure.
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#27 Posted : 6/10/2020 10:32:08 PM

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#28 Posted : 7/18/2020 12:06:02 AM

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Spirit/Spirituality refers to the underlying structure of harmony of reality. You need both Structure and Harmony to create reality.
We think in good and bad as we should, but harmony of reality does not. However, harmony does mean that is a dynamic flow of energy that makes the existence persist.
Harmony of reality can not be seen in it's truest form by us, but it does exist.

Now, the structure is the matter that manifest as a result of achieving harmony. Therefor creating a reality. In other words; TL;DR; Spirituality is one of the two components that make this reality.

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#29 Posted : 7/23/2020 4:04:55 AM

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I wish people could come up with a better word then spirituality when describing its core values and phenomenon as diverse as both can be. Most of the values people have and phenomenon they experience which are ascribed the term spiritual have naturalistic explanations. Spiritual implies supernatural and therefore not real to me.
 
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#30 Posted : 7/29/2020 4:01:16 AM

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burnt wrote:
I wish people could come up with a better word then spirituality when describing its core values and phenomenon as diverse as both can be. Most of the values people have and phenomenon they experience which are ascribed the term spiritual have naturalistic explanations. Spiritual implies supernatural and therefore not real to me.


Hello old friend. And I agree. I'd personally prefer something more specific, like: hyper-spacial, multi-dimensional, undifferentiated void or unified field (something along those esoteric but definitive lines). Infinite symmetry? From my own spirit journeys, I have always taken certain bejeweled epiphanies and quantum revelations about the nature of existence, both subjectively and objectively, back into my "ordinary world". Spiritus implies a state of non-ordinary reality to most people and ironically, it is closer than close. Immanent and present within all of creation.

I honestly feel that it is more like perceiving the interior interconnections existent within all phenomena. My belief is that the heightened fields of cognition are gifted by the pure symmetry of consciousness abloom. Perhaps it's all our collective dreamscapes entwined but it's such a wondrous patterning and texture. I feel in my deepest heart-core, that you folks are indeed, my "spiritual" family. Thumbs up
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#31 Posted : 7/30/2020 3:44:41 AM

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What if it’s the energetic correspondence with physical reality?
 
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#32 Posted : 7/30/2020 4:24:04 AM

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BundleflowerPower wrote:
What if it’s the energetic correspondence to physical reality?

Word.

Perhaps your choice of "energetic" is the most appropriate? I just can't stand anthropomorphic deification these days. The ancient Chinese notion of The Eternal Tao reflects such an insubstantial force moving throughout all manifested forms of sentient consciousness... living, loving and earnestly training with unwavering intention, to be both buoyantly grounded within the 3rd dimensional paradigm and simultaneously in total attunement with the limitlessness of the forever blooming infinite web in it's enigmatic, spiralling motion. Just look to the stars overhead! Thumbs up
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#33 Posted : 7/31/2020 11:28:41 PM

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Ehh. I retract my previous statement.

Spiritual is the front runner of existence, the first
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