Hello. I am requesting experienced psyconauts for advise on this sacred plant. I have had small low level experience(weird CEV imagine a purple bed on top of ahill an climbing it, being in a wave feeling, extreme laughter, and pattern distortions in a wood etc...) with some 10x extract. But now persecuting the full experience in order to open my mind with this psycodelic. I find a much more profound connection with this substance than with DMT, dmt or psylocibin. I don't if it is because od the short duration, if it is because of it being my first psychodelic or for it being so misterious and dangerous. Anyway due to this last reason I want to take all precautions to use this plant with any problems.

First of all I want to talk about the dosage. Although it is quite straight forward(400/ extract potency = mg of extract) But choosing the right strength is complicste. I dont want ro overdose but neither have a too low one. I thought of buying a 60x extract but thought that measuring the dosage would be a tough job for my scale. And I find 20x too litle. What do you recommend?

Next I plan on doing some regular stuff you would do for Ayahuasca. No sex, no drugs(tabaco and alcohol included) no strong foods(red meat, spicy, junk food etc...) eat healthy excercise but not in excess, and lot's of reading and listening to music.
I don't think going any further is necesary.
I would also do daily 45min meditation with from time to time use of salvia in order to calm down and to know her well. Make an small altar offering something like food to "Los ojos de la pastora" and putting there my objective of the experience. And of course have a nice set and setting at the time.

You think is a good way to have a nice trip? Any advice? I will trip report as soon as i get an extract and finish the prepsrstory time

I wouldn’t call it dangerous, you just have to be smart around it. Know what you’re holding etc.

All the standard rules apply, having a sitter is up to you. Some people sit still, some people move, if you don’t know which type you are have a sitter. I got the distinct impression salvia does not like alcohol so don’t mix it. Other than that you know, you hit the pipe and hold on, it does the rest.

One point I would like to make is that with extracts it tends to be chaotic, in my opinion too strong and not the ideal way to take it. Most of my extract experiences would be very introspective, quite literally, like I would take a tour through my mind or spinal chord. I’m not saying it isn’t positive just not ideal for me. I’d say it has it’s place but if you get the chance I would recommend plain leaf. With plain leaf I met characters and went places. It was a much more rewarding set of experiences and carried more of what I would call valuable experience and info. It’s also pretty hard to over do plain leaf, the gravity bong I used to smoke had a bowl on it about the size of half a shot glass.

Salvia dosage is weird, it’s not real consistent in that take two piles of the same amount and sometimes it won’t really do much and other times you get your hair blown back even though it’s the same batch. So my 2 cents would be to start slow but be prepared to maybe be surprised. Plus the effects can be so randomly and completely different from experience to experience you never really know what you’re in store for. It is the oddest plant I’ve ever come across.

I consider my first salvia experience to be my baptism because it really shined a light on how what I thought was cold hard fact just wasn’t so. It in the realest of ways broke reality for me and clued me into the possibility that there may be more than meets the eye. It can get uncomfortable, it can get scary, heaven or hell you know. It really pays to have a clear conscience with this one.

Once you have a few go’s with it post what your experiences were and I’d love to see if I recognize anything.

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I thought of a better way to say it. Salvia plants tend to have their own individual personalities. Similar to caci but even moreso, the range of it’s effects are so broad and each plant tends to be distinct. So when you do an extract it’s like smashing all those personalities into one. I imagine it’s like trying to intimately get to know a crowd as opposed to a single person 1 on 1. I don’t know how 20x could be too little, just smoalk moar. Plain leaf is plenty, so don’t get caught up in the dosage numbers, it’s good to go with your gut. So find what works best for you but if you ever get the chance, plain leaf, give it a rip.

I got a gram of 20x, four smokes later it is half gone and I still have yet to break through on the stuff. Mostly just pins and needles. Maybe my 20x is bunk? Considering throwing the rest into a pipe and hitting it until either A- I break through, or B- it is gone. Would really love to connect with this stuff.

Very interesting. I was just reading a trip report which said he felt as chewing gum, being chewed with other balls becoming a gum. He felt this as being a hard experience changing from the view of it to them. So I belive what you say. However, I still think of taking an extract.

I can obtain a big amount of leaves. How much should I use? I smoked cigarretes of leaves and had no effect

With a salvia joint you’re not going to get enough smoke in quick enough to get the effects you’re looking for. Given that I never used a scale and did my doses by eyeballing I would say to play it safe and start with 2 leaves and then bump it up from there depending on what effects you get from it. The bowl I used on the gravity bong was about the size of half a shot glass and I would pack that full. The water bong was really effective because you can slowly load the entire 2 liter bottle with dense smoke as opposed to a regular bong where you’re a bit limited.

I know a 2 liter gravity bong sounds like some college dorm set up but it’s really effective at getting a large hit that’s smooth and cool into your lungs.

Extracts are fine I just feel the need to mention that plain leaves are where I had my most rewarding experiences. I think a lot of people get turned off the whole thing because of extracts and overdosing. There was a huge difference in effects for me between the two. Also with plain leaf you can make your own extracts and know exactly what you have.

Another really interesting thing that you should try is comparing effects between eyes open and eyes closed. I got major differences in how the trip would play out almost like it was two completely different chemicals (still salvia but really different). It’s a really bizarre plant.

A7, relates super info. I've embraced the SD. Observation, encounter smoked extract a time or 3. Henceforth, you'll be "reverse toleranced". Small percent of population are actual, "hardheads", who don't enter Salvia space. Otherwise, a bit of familiarization with Salvia space, via smoked extracts, can and will facilitate entry into the "shy deer" space with quid and tincture.

Once introduced, vanishingly small doses of salvinorin, will bring the Salvia headspace. A bizzare headspace it is. As a "dissociative", not the likes of DMT, psilocybin, mescaline...etc.

Go slow, and "She" can be an ally!!

Peace