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How Greta Thunberg is changing the world, and how you can change it too Options
 
FranLover
#61 Posted : 1/21/2020 12:38:10 AM

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Of course she is right, the way we are living is nonsense, we have made a mess of things here on Earth...we are so seperated from nature and anything natural that we are not in connection with reality. We are totally deluded. This deep ignorance has been with us always, so that the scripture may be fufilled, but if we want to be victorious in reaching the end of the Way through the Way, we must evolve. Evolution is how we have gotten to this advanced level of living (progress) which is a reflection of the greatness of the soul and of God. But to correct the errors of the whole of history we must leave behind the ignorance and the weakness. Maya must be transcended so that we may reach as a species, and for the well being of all sentient beings across the cosmos, and in honor of god, a higher level of success as beings. All this is totally possible for us given the existene of the values Compassion and Love, values deeply ingrained into the fabric of the cosmos, values which make it possible for all sentient beings to succeed and achieve complete victory and unity and discover the true meanining of Liberty.

Greta's approach will always be bad because she is just a child, she had no idea what this life is or how to correctly interact with people, much less a large crowd. Its basically child abuse to put her through this, put her in nonsense debates and lectures and film her and put it out for the world to see...she is just 16, right? God bless her. This girl is Einstein compared to what I was at 16....If I was her parent I would be taking better care of her...but this is her destiny...and whatever has put her here and has made her pass through these trials and errors shall take her home...so its all for the best. But let us reflect on that Rumi quote;

I didn’t come here of my own accord, and I can’t leave that way.
Whoever brought me here, will have to take me home.
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I used to think of you. I'd think "She exists. She's out there somewhere." And that would give me strenght.
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Jees
#62 Posted : 1/21/2020 11:33:02 AM

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FranLover wrote:
...We are totally deluded. This deep ignorance has been with us always...
Yes, and I think it's because we are truly hardcoded wired that way. Tunnel vision and tunnel thinking is a great asset but also a great burden to have. Humans crawled up to mountains in caves for years of isolation to just get 'a grip on yourself', to save just one soul from the natural habits.

The angry and shame-on-you strategy doesn't jive with me.
What does? Accepting that nature doesn't care about suffering and ingrained us with codex of individualism, egoism, self preservation, etc. We did not invent ourselves.
I feel I am doing better for myself and the world when starting from a point of acceptance rather than shame, guild or forms of self loathing. Everyone's mileage may vary.
 
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#63 Posted : 1/21/2020 3:40:00 PM

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FranLover wrote:
Of course she is right, the way we are living is nonsense, we have made a mess of things here on Earth...we are so seperated from nature and anything natural that we are not in connection with reality. We are totally deluded. This deep ignorance has been with us always, so that the scripture may be fufilled, but if we want to be victorious in reaching the end of the Way through the Way, we must evolve. Evolution is how we have gotten to this advanced level of living (progress) which is a reflection of the greatness of the soul and of God. But to correct the errors of the whole of history we must leave behind the ignorance and the weakness. Maya must be transcended so that we may reach as a species, and for the well being of all sentient beings across the cosmos, and in honor of god, a higher level of success as beings. All this is totally possible for us given the existene of the values Compassion and Love, values deeply ingrained into the fabric of the cosmos, values which make it possible for all sentient beings to succeed and achieve complete victory and unity and discover the true meanining of Liberty.

Greta's approach will always be bad because she is just a child, she had no idea what this life is or how to correctly interact with people, much less a large crowd. Its basically child abuse to put her through this, put her in nonsense debates and lectures and film her and put it out for the world to see...she is just 16, right? God bless her. This girl is Einstein compared to what I was at 16....If I was her parent I would be taking better care of her...but this is her destiny...and whatever has put her here and has made her pass through these trials and errors shall take her home...so its all for the best. But let us reflect on that Rumi quote;

I didn’t come here of my own accord, and I can’t leave that way.
Whoever brought me here, will have to take me home.

For a long time though, i was naive enough to believe that we humans would eventually agree on the issue.

I now realise that this is never gonna happen.

There are still people who even deny global warming is a fact, and then there are a lot of people who deny that there is a relationship between global warming and CO2.

Naieve and stupid of me to think that those people could be convinced with facts and arguments.

Are people realy so stupid that they don't understand that global warming is about global average's?

I'm not sure. But i'm beginning to believe that some of them only pretend to be that dumb, just so that they can keep saying it's all a hoax.

And then the relation between CO2 and temperature....
That's just basic science.

Not 97% of the scientists agree about this. 100% does. What they don't agree about is how exactly that translates into climatological effects, because the earth's climate just happens to be a very complex system.

But the fact that CO2 absorbs infrared radiation and converts the energy of it to heat is just a basic property of the molecule.
That is literally undisputed among scientists. CO2 lasers rely on this principle, it is easily testable in a lab, amateur scientists could test it themselves at home even, if they would be dedicated enough.

It realy is an unwillingness to face the facts.
Wich means that arguments and education don't matter.

Greta's anger is totally justified. I often feel the same anger.
But then i have to remind myself of the uselessness of it.

The situation is hopeless. There are simply not enough people willing to admit that CO2 emissions are changing the climate. So the will to reduce these emissions is lacking.

Disasters and huge crises are unavoidable at this point. It does not have to be the end of the world. But for millions of people it sure will be.


 
Jees
#64 Posted : 1/21/2020 5:03:37 PM

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A side step from the actual debate:
dragonrider wrote:
...Not 97% of the scientists agree about this. 100% does...
Counting nodding heads has never been a scientifical method to accept or deny a theory, on the contrary! It is a fallacy regurgitated at nauseam.

Sorry for that Embarrased
 
dragonrider
#65 Posted : 1/21/2020 5:23:49 PM

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Jees wrote:
A side step from the actual debate:
dragonrider wrote:
...Not 97% of the scientists agree about this. 100% does...
Counting nodding heads has never been a scientifical method to accept or deny a theory, on the contrary! It is a fallacy regurgitated at nauseam.

Sorry for that Embarrased

Point taken.

What i meant ofcourse, is that it is a very basic fact that is not realy open to interpretation.

If people, serious people that is, say that climate change as a result of CO2 is not 100% sure, they usually mean that it is not sure how exactly CO2 emmisions will affect the earths climate. Not that there is no effect at all.

Denying that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, requires almost the same level of anti-science paranoia as flat-earth.
 
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#66 Posted : 1/21/2020 6:14:19 PM

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dragonrider wrote:
There are still people who even deny global warming is a fact, and then there are a lot of people who deny that there is a relationship between global warming and CO2.


I think you need to make the distinction between global warming and anthropogenic climate change. That's the point a lot of people, myself included, are referring to when we discuss this issue and not that CO2 doesn't contribute to the greenhouse effect.

dragonrider wrote:
The situation is hopeless.


Exactly, so why care?

There's a dozen other pressing environmental issues that actually need solving and are demonstrable/observable with our eyes, not reliant on theoretical modelling, and could potentially be dealt with e.g. plastic in the oceans.

The key difference is that all of the other environmental issues do not require the inevitable solution that the global warming one is slowly building towards --> totalitarianism. It's incredible that people can't see that is what this is building up to.

People need to pay more attention. The mainstream media isn't there to report news, it's there to set the narrative for particular political agendas and to not report or obfuscate stories that are damaging to particular interests.
 
dragonrider
#67 Posted : 1/21/2020 7:11:50 PM

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xss27 wrote:
dragonrider wrote:
There are still people who even deny global warming is a fact, and then there are a lot of people who deny that there is a relationship between global warming and CO2.


I think you need to make the distinction between global warming and anthropogenic climate change. That's the point a lot of people, myself included, are referring to when we discuss this issue and not that CO2 doesn't contribute to the greenhouse effect.

Some people also deny that CO2 plays a role in global warming.
The "CO2 is actually good" narrative.

But anyway, in order to deny any anthropogenic effects, you would first have to deny that the composition of the atmosphere is being altered by burning fossil fuels, or that the contribution of fossil fuels to changes in the atmosphere is negligible.

The moment you admit that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, and that the percentage of CO2 in the earths atmosphere is changing significantly because of our oil, coal and to a lesser extent, gas consumption, then you automatically have to admit that there is an anthropogenic effect.

I am curious if there is any way you could ever be convinced. I think not.
I unfortunately suspect that you are determined to never, ever accept that human activity has climatological effects, no matter what evidence you would be presented with.

It is definately true that there are some environmentalists out there, who out of some protestantism-derived ethics, would want to see all human technology banned, as it represents wicked, sinfull hedonism to them.
Those people are having a field day, ofcourse. Just as some people on the far-right are having a fieldday, everytime a muslimfundamentalist goes on a killingspree in the name of allah.

But those people cannot be sufficient reason not to care.

If the climate changes, a lot of agricultural activity will have to be relocated.
Because a lot of our agricultural products happen to depend on very specific climatological conditions.

Ofcourse some people will benefit as well. In some places, land will become arable. But millions of people will lose their prime source of income. Many traditional local products will become extinct.

These are things that are extremely likely to happen, because of how dependant a lot of agriculture is on very exact climatological conditions.

Think how in the wine industry, people talk about a good or a bad year. That is all within a certain, fixed climatological range. Now imagine that range changing. Even slightly.
 
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