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#21 Posted : 1/4/2020 10:47:45 PM

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I am a professional golfer and it is an absolute must to feel a golf club and golf ball when in alternate dimensions. In fact, I live less than 3 miles from a course and the walk is right through a regional park. I plan on taking a trip with the pup during my next experience...get in touch with the game beyond the game.

I have personally found a balance of nature, your internal rhythm, and your reaction to your environment to slow down. To be at one...with it all.
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#22 Posted : 1/22/2020 8:28:24 PM

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So what I'm proposing is that meditation is the skill to practice in visionary states Smile since the mind is the vehicle of consciousness, and psychedelics expand consciousness.



I also agree with that psychedelics can be use as tools to explore facets of consciousness. My understanding is that traditional ways of using chanting, dancing, movements...etc are ways to enter the trance state so to somewhat remove the egoic barrier when they had no access to active substances. So the 'physical active' component isn't really a necessity as now people have the tools to hack the system without the need to go through those physical routes.

Perhaps the ultimate way is to intentionally completely still the physical movements, then still the mind and completely present in the full awareness with the help of psychedelics to go deeper within, and through that, to the cosmo... just some wild ideas!
 
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#23 Posted : 1/23/2020 4:29:00 AM
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sbios wrote:
FranLover wrote:


So what I'm proposing is that meditation is the skill to practice in visionary states Smile since the mind is the vehicle of consciousness, and psychedelics expand consciousness.



I also agree with that psychedelics can be use as tools to explore facets of consciousness. My understanding is that traditional ways of using chanting, dancing, movements...etc are ways to enter the trance state so to somewhat remove the egoic barrier when they had no access to active substances. So the 'physical active' component isn't really a necessity as now people have the tools to hack the system without the need to go through those physical routes.

Perhaps the ultimate way is to intentionally completely still the physical movements, then still the mind and completely present in the full awareness with the help of psychedelics to go deeper within, and through that, to the cosmo... just some wild ideas!


In traditional shamanic contexts they still perform these activities. Shamans often perform the activities without taking the drugs, but they do not often (if ever) take the drugs without performing the activities. Using psychedelics is not an innovation for them, they’ve been doing it for a while.

The method you mention is plausible. The Santo Daime perform silent sittings as one form of their rituals. I personally use meditation or yoga, mainly. Yoga is not traditional with psychedelics, but it does in my experience deepen things.

Technique both deepens the experience and makes you more of an active agent in determining the nature of the experience, to the point that shamans claim they can perform magical medical services for clients - which can include hurting other people’s health, if that’s what you want to pay them to do and if they don’t have any ethical objections. Shamans are witch doctors and there are no hippocratic oaths. Many people when they realize this is what they are denounce the whole thing as faith healing. For some reason people have an idea that they are monks whose project is soteriological. This is not accurate. They are not trying to attain Nirvana, Moksha, Theosis, Henosis, or other similar mystical categories. They are trying to deepen the experience and use it for certain utilitarian ends - primarily, healing very particular illnesses or discovering the means of doing so (i.e. what plant should my client consume to feel better?).
 
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#24 Posted : 1/23/2020 9:49:15 AM

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Yes, certainly I generalized somewhat about chanting, dancing, movements. They can and have been used other than just tools to loosen the egoic hold of the mind. And yes some rituals and rites has been handed down for thousands of years and with different ways added or subtracted. Who knows how and where these started...

I see perhaps we are mixing the two components within the context of journeying. There is the ritual aspect where there are chants, invocations, dances, movements...etc either before or during by oneself or the shaman, guide or elder. This is more of the setting aspect as I understand.

The set as the journeyman who is partaking the journey with a shaman typically will be in a more passive and receptive mode I suppose. The goal is to go inward, so doing a lot of physical activities seem to be counterintuitive and counterproductive imo. Well, in this day and age there is no need to adhere to what strict rules unless one is in a group with rules. It all comes down to whatever combination rocks the boat and one feels best serves.
 
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#25 Posted : 1/23/2020 4:23:48 PM
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Well sure, but what I’m pointing out is that what the shaman does is not reducible to furniture for your trip — and what she or he is doing is not reducible to a passive environment or mindset. So you’re in a mouldy basement and you woke up feeling a little blue? Doesn’t matter. It’s not ideal, but now you drum, or chant, or meditate, or whatever. This is an internal activity not reducible to a passive good-vibes mindset or happy environment. These things are important - but there is a further active component to the development of a trip - or there can be, that is.
 
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#26 Posted : 1/23/2020 11:08:21 PM

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One more skillset to add is intentional use of scent. I'm pretty sure there are adepts at this modality in various arenas of non-conventional healing, both psychedelic and non-psychedelic.
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#27 Posted : 1/24/2020 12:54:55 AM

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Yes, good scent and good music is a must. I like Monarda o Ylang Ylang for the humidifier.
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The joy that arises when — experiencing the inconstancy of those very forms, their change, fading, & cessation — one sees with right discernment as it actually is that all forms, past or present, are inconstant, stressful, subject to change: That is called renunciation joy. (Similarly with sounds, smells, tastes, tactile sensations, & ideas.)
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#28 Posted : 1/24/2020 2:57:10 AM
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downwardsfromzero wrote:
One more skillset to add is intentional use of scent. I'm pretty sure there are adepts at this modality in various arenas of non-conventional healing, both psychedelic and non-psychedelic.


Interesting! I’ve heard shamans prepare “flower baths”.

The first “mystical” experience I had was on 600 ug of orange sunshine when the smell of a joint wafted over... I didn’t smoke it, just smelled it, and knew immediately without a doubt in my mind, “I am God.” Proceeded to crunch my neck into place after not being able to turn it to the right for three years after seeing specialists who could help with nothing. The crunch was so loud people across the room heard it, and my neck has been fine ever since.

I find consuming marijuana is not so great while tripping for me personally (everyone is different), but as an incense I think it is my favorite of all the incenses. Just gotta get a bunch of cheap leaves to burn.
 
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#29 Posted : 2/14/2020 1:36:19 AM

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Cura cura cuerpecito/Cura cura almacita/Ayahuasca medicina/eres muy sagrada/ tienes el poder de sanar nuestra gente/Chacrunita medicina...wachumita medicina...Nakaykuna medicina...
The joy that arises when — experiencing the inconstancy of those very forms, their change, fading, & cessation — one sees with right discernment as it actually is that all forms, past or present, are inconstant, stressful, subject to change: That is called renunciation joy. (Similarly with sounds, smells, tastes, tactile sensations, & ideas.)
If its root remains undamaged & strong, a tree, even if cut, will grow back. So too if latent craving is not rooted out, this suffering returns again & again.
See the job. Do the job. Stay out of the misery.
 
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#30 Posted : 2/14/2020 10:26:04 AM

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Regarding scent. Burning on a chunk of Palo Santo is one of my favorite smells. I burn some every time I smoalk dmt.
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#31 Posted : 2/14/2020 3:23:38 PM
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Tony6Strings wrote:
Regarding scent. Burning on a chunk of Palo Santo is one of my favorite smells. I burn some every time I smoalk dmt.


Yes, I quite like that one as well. I’m also fond of Frankincense and Myrrh by Three Kings (same stuff they use at the Vatican), although that stuff may be a little too strong for some people.

Nothing ever strikes me in the way cannabis does though. Hate to smoke it when tripping, but as an incense... it just lights me up. Possibly because of all the smoking I’ve done in my life, but also it’s just so unique.

I’ve heard copal is pretty great as well, but I’ve never tried it.
 
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#32 Posted : 2/14/2020 7:32:39 PM

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gotta Sage up the whole house and crack a window open. Sage bundles are cute and smell good

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The joy that arises when — experiencing the inconstancy of those very forms, their change, fading, & cessation — one sees with right discernment as it actually is that all forms, past or present, are inconstant, stressful, subject to change: That is called renunciation joy. (Similarly with sounds, smells, tastes, tactile sensations, & ideas.)
If its root remains undamaged & strong, a tree, even if cut, will grow back. So too if latent craving is not rooted out, this suffering returns again & again.
See the job. Do the job. Stay out of the misery.
 
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#33 Posted : 2/20/2020 4:06:40 PM

I rather root my values in my own hallucinations than in society´s neurotic illusions..


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A little bit of Copal mixed with Sage is perfect if you drink Ayhuasca and feel for vomitingPleased
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