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Grey Fox
#161 Posted : 9/9/2019 10:36:39 PM

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I think the debate about old part of the plant vs green tip misses the point. I've participated in that discussion elsewhere on the internet, and at the time I was in the "old part of the plant" camp. But what I now see is that its not that important what part of the cactus is used. If its a good sized, potent plant then both mid and tip cuts will be potent. And some older sections of a cactus can have corking, which is not good for potency (since the green, outer flesh is no longer present). It should be a green, healthy piece from anywhere on a big, mature plant. I think thats what will give the best results.

I wish you all the best with growing your cacti Pete. Thanks for taking the time to share your results with us.
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#162 Posted : 9/9/2019 10:44:17 PM

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Thank you, Grey Fox. I think we both understand how valuable this medicine is, so sharing any findings is just a small price for all the information here on Nexus that allowed me to use it.
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An1cca
#163 Posted : 9/10/2019 6:51:10 AM

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Hey guys, there definitely is an important mescaline gradient along the lenghth of columnar cacti. I tested bridgesii and pachanoi by doing TLC on standardized biopts. See the results in the sticky thread elsewhere: https://www.dmt-nexus.me...spx?g=posts&t=76926

The specimens were each about 1 meter tall.
 
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#164 Posted : 9/10/2019 9:59:59 AM

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An1cca, it is already some time I have read this. I didn't remember you've had taken samples from different parts of the cactus. I am really glad this info is available.

Please correct me if I am wrong...
I suppose we are talking about the picture attached to this post.
1. This is not telling us anything about the correlation between the age and M content.
2. It seems that for the bottom parts of the cactus the concentration is lower than for the upper parts.
3. It seems that this difference is increasing with the size of the cactus.
4. We don't know whether the increase of M content in the upper part is due to the increased production in that part, decomposition or outflow of M in bottom part or transport of M from the bottom to the upper parts of the body of the cactus throughout the lifetime of the plant.
5. We don't know whether previous findings are valid, because the results were done for different specimens and not for the same specimen of different age/size
6. We don't know whether seeming gradient is present both for cactus grown from seed and cactus grown from clone taken from mature plant.

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#165 Posted : 9/10/2019 12:04:53 PM

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That's all correct, Pete. I hope to find the time to answer some of these questions. Perhaps you will beat me to it? Cool
 
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#166 Posted : 9/10/2019 4:28:44 PM

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Are you trying to imply you would get back to the psychedelic research? Smile
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#167 Posted : 9/10/2019 5:23:35 PM

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Just like our cacti, my dormancy period will end in next spring Laughing
 
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#168 Posted : 9/10/2019 6:24:50 PM

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My cacti are not dormant, in fact the winter is their main season Very happy
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coAsTal
#169 Posted : 9/11/2019 11:58:20 PM

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Pete are you really able to support those trichs with just plain T5's? Everywhere I read always swears up and down that etiolation is a foregone conclusion with them and that you need crazy wattages to avoid it that make it heat/cost prohibitive.

 
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#170 Posted : 9/12/2019 6:50:26 AM

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Yes, it is possible. But we are not talking about fully sized trichos, they are harvested at about 20-30cm length. There is not any etiolation as far as their tops are kept close enough to the tubes (5-10cm). Check the whole thread, there are lighting specs, growing rates and other information.
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#171 Posted : 9/12/2019 7:27:55 AM

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I'm growing trichs under a Migro 100 that is about 30cm away from the highest tops (plants 40cm). No etiolation whatsoever. Pete, this way it may be possible to grow them larger. My growing space is 90x80cm. At the sides I grow lophs because they need less light.

You see HuarxScop, HuarxLumb, HuarxPsych0, SS02xKimGia, KimGiaxSS02 ans lophs from different regions. Some small cuttings are still forming roots (shriveled look). Substrate is Seramis which they seem to love, topped with small pebbles for different reasons. I plan on switching to lava for the lophs for aesthetical reasons and faster evaporation.

Growth rate depends upon hybrid, but is about 0,5-1mm/day. They get 16 hours light/day since a few weeks, before it was 18. I feed them 1/4 strength low-nitrogen cactus-fertilizer every 10 days and on occasion regular plant-fertilizer for the trichs.
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#172 Posted : 9/12/2019 8:20:21 AM

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This grow light looks cool, 80x80 seems to be perfect space for one such unit.
These lights have different characteristics and can keep the intensity of light much farther than with T5's, so you can grow taller specimens.
My growbox is limited both in horizontal and vertical direction. I can't have larger cacti, because of such limits. But that doesn't seem to be problem, as I simply cut the scion, leaving few areoles and there is again plenty of space for next round of growth.

Nonetheles the idea about having lophs in the parts of lower light intensity is good, I have one side where is less light and the trichos are growing considerably slower. And though I've never grafted loph, I am considering that.
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#173 Posted : 9/12/2019 8:37:10 AM

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pete666 wrote:
An1cca, it is already some time I have read this. I didn't remember you've had taken samples from different parts of the cactus. I am really glad this info is available.

Please correct me if I am wrong...
I suppose we are talking about the picture attached to this post.
1. This is not telling us anything about the correlation between the age and M content.
2. It seems that for the bottom parts of the cactus the concentration is lower than for the upper parts.
3. It seems that this difference is increasing with the size of the cactus.
4. We don't know whether the increase of M content in the upper part is due to the increased production in that part, decomposition or outflow of M in bottom part or transport of M from the bottom to the upper parts of the body of the cactus throughout the lifetime of the plant.
5. We don't know whether previous findings are valid, because the results were done for different specimens and not for the same specimen of different age/size
6. We don't know whether seeming gradient is present both for cactus grown from seed and cactus grown from clone taken from mature plant.



I've found in some posts of endlessness ... CACTUS ALKALOIDS. LI. LACK OF MESCALINE
TRANSLOCATION IN GRAFTED TRICHOCEREUS
. Seems to provide some information for points 4 and 6.
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#174 Posted : 9/13/2019 2:29:15 AM

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Thanks Pete-- and everyone else in this thread!!-- very good reading and so many great questions thoughtfully explained.

 
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#175 Posted : 9/13/2019 7:31:51 AM

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You are welcome coAsTal!
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