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#3141 Posted : 9/6/2019 7:37:19 PM
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I ground my bark up before boiling. After adding more base and heating the naphtha i yielded some more goo last night so it seems the dmt is where it belongs. With the same technique i got 1% although i used an acid. Thank you for the help.
 

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#3142 Posted : 9/7/2019 8:26:59 AM

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Hey all!

So I've been vising this site for a while now and recently have attempted to extract some spice of my own. I ran into issues with one, while the other had a much lower yield than expected, so I'm hoping to find some guidance on how to proceed. Any help is much appreciated ❤ I've added [Q's] next to things I'm uncertain about and would like a reply on if anyone has the info.

For both attempts I used Earthwalker's ACRB Tek (https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=58064). Ingredients used were:

- Demineralised Water
- Acacia Confusa Root Bark (Powdered)
- Table Salt
- White Vinegar
- Caustic Soda
- Extraction A: Acetone
- Extraction B: Shellite


Extraction A
I followed the guide, then got to the Clean Up Steps, Step 3 after you have added your pulls of solvent to acidic water. Here, I ran into the issue of the liquid not separating into 2 layers. The liquid is also a golden colour... which I don't think is right. There was lots of suspended white particles floating about in it. I tried researching how to fix this and came across something saying to keep adding loads of lye and/or salt... I ended up putting a whole bunch in, but it never seperated. Any idea on what has happened here? [Q1] I've left it a few weeks now and it still has a similar golden colour, but now has a layer of red stuff on the bottom. Any recommendations on how to proceed would be great. [Q2]

https://imgur.com/E3XldYc Pre-pulling the solvent.
https://imgur.com/mYDS0jN Layers not separating.
https://imgur.com/WnYb1yq Trying to get a shot of the suspended particles.
https://imgur.com/0gYhCOH After a few weeks.


Issues:
- During the Cleanup Step 2, in which the solvent is being mixed with acidic water, I shook this quite hard... and then read you are not supposed to do this Shocked Serves me right for not double and triple checking/reading ahead.
- I used half the materials for everything, hoping to use less material in the case of failure. However, I was reading in a thread somewhere (can't remember where exactly at this point), that you can't just double everything - this leads me to believe you can't just halve everything either. In the FAQ though, it says you can scale up/down, so I'm not sure if this is actually an issue. [Q3]


Extraction B
I followed the guide...
https://imgur.com/nkhLsq5 Step 1: Warm Acid Bath
Then added salt in Step 2.
https://imgur.com/Ir3IZPP Step 3: Warm Alkaline Bath - mixture went black as described in the Tek.
https://imgur.com/D2vrPjj Step 4: Added the Shellite, mixing, letting separate and then repeating multiple times.
https://imgur.com/szDRlhb Step 4: I took 5 lots of Shellite pulls and put them into a jar. Image shows the microscopic bits of base soup that the Tek mentions.

CLEANUP STEPS:
https://imgur.com/psKKsq1 Step 1 + 2: Added vinegar + water to the jar, resulting in the solvent going cloudy white. I then mixed the two layers together for 15 minutes. I did not notice a 'brown fatty substance' as alluded to in the Tek, this could perhaps be because the ACRB I am using was very finely powdered? [Q4]
Step 3: I siphoned out the top layer and set it aside (just in case it will be useful/I fucked up)
https://imgur.com/wxsKUtN Step 4: I made an alkaline solution and added it to the acidic water, resulting in it going cloudy white as described in the Tek. https://imgur.com/biYuz8N I added water as well and the liquid went to being clear, with a little bit of brown stuff floating around on the top.
https://imgur.com/u3I2ZeL https://imgur.com/eMF4nBh Step 5: I added Shellite, once again mixing (this time shaking heavily, as the Tek says "shaking won't cause an emulsion", is this OK? [Q5]) and letting settle multiple times before pulling the Shellite out onto a tray. When pulling into a Turkey Baster, it did not turn "white and thick as soon as it hits the [siphoner]"... is this OK? [Q6] The pulls were crystal clear when placed into the precipitation tray though. I also kept the liquid in the jars.
https://imgur.com/Y1pyYOl Step 6: I pre-evaped manually by waving it with some paper (would have used fan but circumstances meant this is all I had available at the time). The shellite didn't go milky... but I waited until it was half evaporated, then wrapped in glad wrap multiple layers and put it into a freezer.
https://imgur.com/76SNvJf Step 7: I took the tray out of the freezer, pouring off the excess Shellite to be stored for later use. I immediately placed it on its side and blasted it with a fan for 1.5 hours.

I ended up with some crystals... https://imgur.com/6rwE4f3, but upon scraping and weighing I only got 0.07 grams. Wut? So I must have not picked up the DMT at some stage... I'm thinking there could be some left in the Shellite I poured off after pulling it out of the freezer? [Q7]

In general really just trying to understand why I did get such a low yield. Still yet to confirm the final product is DMT, but it sure looks like it, smells like it and will be testing soon to check it is it.


Issues:
- Containers were not 100% watertight! When mixing liquids in them, a small amount would leak out 😞
- Possible issue: After Step 3, I waited overnight before continuing with the Tek. At the time I did some searching and found posts indicating this is ok to do [Q8], I'm hoping this didn't have an effect.



I feel like I'm asking so many questions in one post! Wanted to ask properly though so I've included everything I did as well as photos, so hopefully someone can help me out. Once again, much appreciation if anyone can. Cheers.

Edit: Images aren't showing up, despite the links being wrapped in the [img] tags. Posted the direct links as well next to them just to be sure they can be viewed.
 
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#3143 Posted : 9/8/2019 7:47:54 AM

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I try to extract harmala. On a step 10 wiki guide, after 2 hours in the refrigerator there are no precipitate. What wrong? Has poorly fried soda, 2 hours at 220 degrees?
 
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#3144 Posted : 9/9/2019 8:37:23 PM

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Maybe a silly question, but is there really a difference between Gordo Tek and q21q21's?

Is one supposedly more efficient than the other?

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#3145 Posted : 9/10/2019 3:04:03 AM

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Question...
Can one simply add more lye and water to the mud solution (Mimosa) to raise the liquid level to better fit up to the neck of a bottle for better decanting of the naptha?

OR

Will doing so effect the pulls or unbalance the solution in some way?

Will it impact yield?

Thank you!

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#3146 Posted : 9/10/2019 4:16:26 AM

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Nope it's fine to add moar water to get it to the desired level, won't mess anything up. You likely won't need moar lye unless you are seriously diluting it, but it never hurts to drop in another spoonful for good measure.

P.S. I'm gonna go ahead and pull the duplicate question thread for this as this is the right place for it.
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#3147 Posted : 9/10/2019 3:43:38 PM

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Thank you for the information.

I apologize for posting twice.

I'll use this area for extraction q's.

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