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#221 Posted : 7/16/2018 12:42:38 PM

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FB also dissolves in alcohol. downwardsfromzero, interested in your results. Hope inhaling alcohol isn't bad though.

I found that 90% alcohol wasn't the best choice of solvent. It's pretty harsh on the throat tissues as one might imagine. DMT freebase is also freely soluble in 50% alcohol so it seems that may work. But that's still inhaling export-strength vodka, and I haven't tried this yet.

The aqueous PG solution seems like a comparable method and may be gentler on the throat. I think for the long term aqueous DMT fumarate would be best although it presents issues with sterility. Perhaps addition of alcohol at 20% would act as a suitable preservative.

(I now wonder if a little freebase would dissolve in this fumarate/20% ethanol solution.)


What's been holding me back - besides being busy doing other things - is the low capacity of my nebuliser device and its propensity to clog. Obtaining a high-capacity device will only become a priority when cashflow permits.
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#222 Posted : 1/6/2019 2:32:11 PM

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I still think we will get this to work one day.

In the meantime, check out these guys. They found a way to deliver RNA with a nebulizer and got mice to produce fluorescent proteins. Shocked
β€œ... (a) psychedelic substance occasionally causes psychotic behaviour in people who have not taken it.”
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#223 Posted : 1/7/2019 6:34:14 PM

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I haven't forgotten this thread!

Having re-read the entire thing today, there are a few experiments to try regarding solvents:

- 50/50 DMSO/water
- 50% ethanol
- DMSO/water/ethanol
- DMSO/PG

Also it appears that a way to produce DMT.HCl using hardware store HCl without introducing non-volatile contaminants would be to place an open container of DMT freebase and an open container of HCl next to each other in a larger, sealed container. The HCl vapours will combine with the DMT, forming the hydrochloride. This will (presumably) liquefy on account of its hygroscopic properties. The liquid should then absorb more HCl and before long all the freebase will be converted to DMT.HCl syrup. Excess HCl can be outgassed with a vacuum pump or by adding distilled water and evaporating down with heat, repeated a few times.
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#224 Posted : 4/29/2019 1:29:35 AM

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You mean creating DMT.HCl which is water soluble so you don't need PG/DMSO/Ethanol? If so, why not use DMT Fumerate from FASA? Just dissolve some in water and inhale. I estimate 20% solution on a 0.5ml/min device. These didn't exist when this post started, they do now. And they are made and designed to inhale salts. Why bother with complicated ways to dissolve freebase in water which add volume and increase inhalation times and/or are unhealthy like inhaling alcohol?

To me a dmt salt solution seems like the easiest and most logical approach. I'd try myself but don't want to buy a nebu if some of you already own one and can test this.
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#225 Posted : 4/29/2019 2:11:53 AM

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I was probably referring to some questions further back in the thread - not that I recall without looking. Otherwise I'd not be describing how I'd attempt producing DMT.HCl when equally viable alternatives exist - as you rightly point out.

The solvents discussed are for dealing with freebase should there turn out to be a compelling reason why that might be preferred. But indeed, using a water-soluble salt does seem like the simplest, er, solution.


You're very welcome to buy me a new nebulizer if you feel so inclined Big grin That is the principle limiting factor in my lack of progress with these matters: The tedious propensity of my present nebulizer to clog, and its low output, are behind the cessation of efforts with this ROA at present. My present cashflow does not allow for the purchase of a replacement.
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#226 Posted : 4/29/2019 2:30:24 AM

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Ah bummer. Same here. Many idea's, little cash flow, haha. Guess we'll have to wait for someone who already owns a 0.5ml/min neb to read this and try, or someone else to buy one.
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#227 Posted : 4/29/2019 10:51:34 PM

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Actually IIRC they're not that expensive, possibly less than the €50 I spent on plants at the plant sale last weekend. But plants are plants and thus get priority over plastic boxes from China Big grin

When the time is right the nebulizer will appear.
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β€œTo be GOVERNED is to be watched, inspected, spied upon, directed, law-driven, numbered, regulated, enrolled, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, checked, estimated, valued, censured, commanded, by creatures who have neither the right nor the wisdom nor the virtue to do so. To be GOVERNED is to be at every operation, at every transaction noted, registered, counted, taxed, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, authorized, admonished, prevented, forbidden, reformed, corrected, punished. It is, under pretext of public utility, and in the name of the general interest, to be place under contribution, drilled, fleeced, exploited, monopolized, extorted from, squeezed, hoaxed, robbed; then, at the slightest resistance, the first word of complaint, to be repressed, fined, vilified, harassed, hunted down, abused, clubbed, disarmed, bound, choked, imprisoned, judged, condemned, shot, deported, sacrificed, sold, betrayed; and to crown all, mocked, ridiculed, derided, outraged, dishonored. That is government; that is its justice; that is its morality."
― Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
 
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#228 Posted : 4/30/2019 12:17:40 AM

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Yeah true, also, 50 bucks aint much compared to what I've spend on my DMT smoking gear experiments over the years. Trying to limit my gadget expenditures now. Pleased

Or is the dmt holding us all back, cause the world isn't ready for the nebu phase yet?
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#229 Posted : 8/21/2019 9:10:00 PM

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Salutations SWIMfriend,

SWIMfriend wrote:
#1: I want to know what it's like to inhale SIMPLE WATER VAPOR.


Please keep in mind this post of mine is only related to cannabis, not to mention some preliminary series of experiments actually occured quite a long while ago, for example early "FogBong!" ideas got tested during the last quarter of 2012:



Briefly put "empty" (fog-only) inhalation never felt threatening and much less like drowning, though it was necessary to recover normal breath previously to another toking attempt, e.g. it wasn't psychoactive of course while still leaving no free space for more. In addition, very little amounts of cold fog were injected into the cannabic stream via an adjustable "mixing site" anyway!

Worries eventually emerged after a week or so, when i realized that careful maintenance was mandatory (...), which may provide a hint as to why manufacturers of domestic nebulizers started to adopt Ultra-Violet LEDs trying to keep potential airborne pathogens under control, then heater-based designs seemed to gain popularity.

As a result of related safety considerations further experimentation involved steam from boiling water instead:



Though i must admit such conditioning never depended on steam as part of its "Release Agent", only "Transport".

SWIMfriend wrote:
Might it affect breathing?


At 1st the presence of moisture obviously improved breathing issues, then it progressively promoted abuse as a direct consequence of such apparent easiness, which in turn concluded with a need to "T-Break" once it started to feel lung-depressing... In other words the relief was divine initially, then it became counter-productive. Which prompted even more determination to explore a related alternative base on extra-hot exhaust gases from clean-burning butane pipes as from VaporGenie, with "Inlet Water" also performing self-moisturization conditioning as a bonus.

Thumbs up

SWIMfriend wrote:
Give you some sort of "watery lung" feeling?


Apparently the tiny amounts of Inlet Water captured from the corona of a blue torch flame avoids any such inconvenience, toke after toke after toke. Lets keep in mind that air is a heat insulator, while Hot Dry Air used as the "Release/Transport Agent" comes with a specific heat capacity near unity...

In comparison steam is characterized with twice the specific heat capacity and hence this implies the VG pipe has a "Release/Transport Agent" ranging at some point between 1 and 2, which simply means it has been "potentiated" and hence carries some more energy i believe.

So...

Further experimentation combining such improved potency to "Pulse Heating" rendered possible by adopting an "Hybrid Core" clearly confirmed that intuition: there were gains in terms of aroma/taste appreciation while simultaneously taming down depletion of a bowl long enough to dry it out of its noble substances before it went dark.

Big grin

Now, in an effort to respect the announced topic i'd suggest that the "Release/Transport Agent" may need to get broken down into separate processes. For example nebulizers may still prove most valuable by accelerating heat transfer by stirring a mix of Hot Dry Air & steam, which after all is supposed to be a better solvant than cold distilled water alone. Post-vaporization re-heating (à la Sublimator) may succeed generating even finer microscopic droplets i imagine.

The shorter a pulse the more potent it needs to get, at least that's what aroma/taste perception seems to infer. The reward is "conservation" as the heat wave is immediately followed by cool air that cuts overheating before unproductive damage is done.

...

M'well, i've been repeating these ideas for years and the words continuously failed nonetheless. Diaporama imagery hardly works neither, yet please try to envision a process similar to the medieval "catapult", in an era still ignoring the power of steam, electricity and semiconductors: just build a "Heat Charge" then near-instantly flood a vaporization chamber, followed by depletion that's equally fast ideally. The solution IMO is to adopt a "Shortest Path of Lesser Transformation" strategy made reality by juxtaposing an IH-driven susceptor with a pair of SiC Foam layers implementing a sandwhich structure with "Thermal Bottle" properties only required to last long enough to work in some transitional mode compatible with a 1-toke ritual.

Recently i even found a manufacturer of Induction Heat generators offering an on-line "calculator" where Silicon Carbide is listed among metals:



Pleased

I suppose "dopants" must be incorporated into such SiC latice to obtain an electrically-conductive material which can be heated using the "skin effect". If that's no bogus claim then this is the shortest path imaginable while it can also behave as a direct relatively-inert support for practically any substance droplet one wishes to put on... Perhaps stirring then could be performed simply by shaking the "Release/Transport Agent" with ultra-sonic airwaves. Go figure!

Nonetheless apologies still failing to propose a ready-made commercially available solution.

Good day, have fun!! Cool
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