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Sbyeliab
#1 Posted : 1/25/2019 11:26:00 PM
 
pastanostra
#2 Posted : 1/25/2019 11:50:59 PM
Firstly : https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m...s_Wiki:Health_and_Safety

you should take more time to prepare what you're doing.
Preparing the good vesels, calculing the size, the volume of what is necessary to conduct your extraction.
Playing with dangerous chemical as lye is not recommended as you know what you do.
You shoudl take more concern how to do it nicelly than quickly, here, faste is not the better.

Turkey baster is not recomended, more if it's plastic !

You should take more time to :

-visualise the entire process with the material you have before extracting
-taking more time to integrate safety concerns in your extraction method.

There are numerous thread here about safety during extraction.
A lot of experienced chemist are here for this purpose.

Try to explains all the step with your material you have before extrating Thumbs up
 
DmnStr8
#3 Posted : 1/25/2019 11:58:29 PM
The only mistake is not learning from mistakes. It's cool you took all the steps to complete an extraction. I think you will find that it will get easier should you attempt this again. Definitely get some goggles and gloves if you do.


Any advice on how to go into this next step carefully, safely, and discreetly?

What is the next step? and why discreetly? You live with the parents or something?

Any advice on re-xing/being sure I have what I think I do?

I like to use heptane for my r-ex, but naphtha will work fine as well. Really quick summary of what I do below.

Use two small glasses like a shot glass or something similar.
Heat up some water to just under boiling in a small pot large enough to hold the two small glasses.
Place a minimal amount of heptane or naphtha in one glass and the freebase DMT you would like to r-ex in the other glass.
Place both glasses into the heated water bath, wait a few minutes for the DMT to melt into goo.
Pour a minimal amount of the now warmed heptane or naphtha into the glass with the DMT until the DMT dissolves.
Stir it up just a bit.
You may notice some brown sediment drop to the bottom when you do this.
Pour the solution into a pyrex dish.(do not pour any of that sediment into the dish)
Allow r-ex dish to come to room temperature, then to the fridge for a cooling down further, then to the freezer overnight.
Easy.
"In the universe there is an immeasurable, indescribable force which shamans call intent, and absolutely everything that exists in the entire cosmos is attached to intent by a connecting link." ~Carlos Castaneda
 
Sbyeliab
#4 Posted : 1/26/2019 6:29:24 AM
 
Asher7
#5 Posted : 1/26/2019 7:38:17 AM
Read the dmt nexus wiki. Anything you read elsewhere compare to what you find here and adjust to the measurments recommended on here. That will save you time.

Also while you do that my recommendation would be to just slow down. Think about what you are doing, visualize one step at a time before you do it. Make sure you’re thinking reasonably for the long term and not what makes sense in the short term. That’ll also save time and effort.

As far as the next step, I say start slow. If someone were to ask me I’d say take some harmala extract and just sip on your vaporizer and get to know your juice. Other people say if you shoot for the stars you bypass the intense anxiety some people feel, get nervous of and then can’t get past. You’re gonna have to use your intuition and I strongly recommend slowing down and thinking things through before you take that step.

One other thing and I’ll probably catch some flack but if you insist on keeping this from your wife only get high when she isn’t there. You’ll be flying solo so live with your decisions but you shouldn’t spring the potential problems that could come up without letting her know since she’s involuntarily a part of this thing now. Report back on what you find.Cool
 
misfit
#6 Posted : 1/26/2019 4:49:00 PM
Sbyeliab wrote:
I DON'T want to seem defensive because I will be the first to admit that I am new to this.

"Preparing the good vesels, calculing the size, the volume of what is necessary to conduct your extraction."
The tek that I followed offered no discussion of vessel geometry. "Top up water to the curve in the bottle" is meaningless if my bottle has a different geometry (and thus curve) than the one in question. Further, simmering for an hour is going to decrease volume significantly, regardless, so what should the volume into the vessel be? What volume should I top up to? Ultimately, this was the problem that came up during the first extraction last night; I ended up with too much volume for my vessel because I topped up several times during the initial boil (and also made a lye/water solution rather than dumping straight lye into my vessel) and had to find a way to split my extraction, which got messy.
These things aren't discussed in the tek I followed and I had to make decisions based on where I ended up at the end of a particular step.
I have home-brewed beer for many years now, so the ideas behind vessel geometry and boil-off volume are not foreign to me (yes, yes, I know these are different processes...)

"Turkey baster is not recomended, more if it's plastic !"
This was the main reason that I entirely threw out last night's extraction. This morning's extraction was done using only separation via decanting (which was an extensive and painstaking process). There is a great deal of conflicting discussion on the topic of plastics in extraction on this forum, btw.

I DO have (and DID USE) gloves and goggles. I looked up the SDS for all the products I used in the extraction and did what they said. Again, this is why I am not currently blind...

"What is the next step? and why discreetly? You live with the parents or something?"
The next step is smoking the DMT I extracted. Honestly, this is the step with the highest concern for me. I've taken psychedelics before in various forms, but nothing this intense. My interest is in treating this compound with the respect it warrants.
No, I live with my wife, who is not aware of my efforts in this direction. (No thank you, to whatever relationship advice anyone might want to offer here).

"The only mistake is not learning from mistakes. It's cool you took all the steps to complete an extraction. I think you will find that it will get easier should you attempt this again."
Absolutely. This is what I found even over the course of the 12 hours between 1st and second attempts.
Thank you for the re-x method and for reading. Thumbs up


definitely have a trip sitter for your first time trying it, I thought i was pretty experienced in psychedelics but it can be pretty intense. I had my girl watch me though.
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AcaciaConfusedYah
Chemical expertSenior Member
#7 Posted : 1/26/2019 6:40:20 PM
Hey Sbyeliab,

Quote:
I'm proud of this. There's really no one in my life I feel like I can trust to tell this to, so I wanted to share it here.
Getting to this point has been a long process. working up the nerve to buy naphtha, figuring out how to get lye, reading and researching enough to feel safe and (somewhat) confident in actually attempting an extraction, overcoming paranoia and fear... all took, for me, a lot of time and a lot of courage.


I used bold text for the most important thing that you've said. (I also removed one tid-bit that you are not supposed to say - and I suggest editing the original post to remove that as well.)

BUT, the important part - yes, you screwed up on the first one... know what? 95% of us screw up the first extraction. It's the most important, because many people let one bad extraction break their spirit. You didn't. You're ok, and you learned some lessons. If you continue to extract, I can promise you that you'll come upon complications. Learning to troubleshoot is a valuable skill. If you can't troubleshoot, then you'll likely repeat the failed methods. Will you ever do an extraction without gloves or goggles? I doubt it. Heck, I'd be willing to bet you'll be ordering a lab coat, next! Learning from our mistakes prevents us fools from doing it over and over again.

(Seriously though, lab coats are very useful. If you get a spill on your coat, it can easily be shed before RUNNING to the shower. In the event of a spill or explosion - don't worry about the counter, don't worry about the floor, don't worry about the cabinets..... the immediate concern is removing the spill from your body. After that, then isolate and neutralize the spill.)

Funny (not really) story.... once upon a time, a young and reckless ACY was growing mushrooms. That version of ACY was a fool, and was pressure cooking some grain jars in shorts, no shoes, and no shirt... so i was talking to my wife, turned away from the pressure cooker and stepped back.... ***SIZZLE**** "Yyyyaaaaaaaaoooooooowwwwwwhhhhhhhhh!" I jumped about 3 feet in the air. My wife saw it happen and told me to turn around to check.... nice 8 cm long burn/blister form the rim of the pressure cooker. DOH! You better believe that I never attempted pressure cooking again without a shirt. Lol.


The underlined text, from your quote is the next most important thing. This one is often complicated and difficult to overcome. Continue to take your time and build your courage.





Some other folks have offered some more critical advice. Don't disregard it - they truly do care about your well-being. From my understanding, many of their concerns are in relation to things that were not discussed, or discussed thoroughly, in the tek that you followed.

I'll tell you a little secret, but you have to promise to keep it between you and I, ok? Ok. So, the secret is: most all teks are based on the same concept - lysing cells, getting DMT out of the cells, converting to freebase by manipulation of the pH, and then pulling with an appropriate solvent. Shhhhh! Don't tell the others! Hehehe jk jk jk. Laughing

The method of which you go about doing this process can vary from procedure to procedure. Some people don't have access to sodium hydroxide or solvents like naphtha, so there are alternative methods to produce the same results.

You mentioned the volume of your extraction vessel being too small for your total volume of liquid. I recommend still using a sodium hydroxide solution. Adding sodium hydroxide directly to the extraction is ASKING for trouble. Especially if you've used and acid during the boils. Granulated NaOH + acid = volcano effect. It's easier to reduce the tea a little longer than clean up a volcano'd extraction.


I know you said "No Thank you about the wife advice..." but I was once in your shoes. Give them time and allow room for growth from both of you. Even though you didn't want it, you got it. I don't think one sentence of advice was too bad, was it?

It's often difficult for a significant other to understand our reasons. Due to this, I did not frewuently discuss my DMT experiences with my wife. It was complicated, because I did tell her about the experiences in the beginning. She began to think I was developing an unhealthy delusional view about reality. Maybe I was? None the less, we decided that a "don't ask, don't tell" policy was best for my DMT usage. In time, she warned up to the idea - and now she'll even say, "you've been in a weird mood the past few days.... maybe you should take some DMT or eat some mushrooms..." LOL.


Either way, I'm proud of you for being proud of yourself and overcoming the fear and paranoia.

Best advice? Keep learnin'. Make some (safer) mistakes. Learn from them. Then you will develop a method that works best for your conditions. Keep researchin'. That reduces the danger of the mistakes.



Take Care,
ACY
Sometimes it's good for a change. Other times it isn't.
 
 
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