Just acquired some 5x salvia and was wondering how this compares with the leaf for strength.I am aware that I can get stronger ,like 50x although I wanted to go to this in steps.The leaf appears to be not as expensive although I think I read that its not as concentrated.I have read doorway to thought free awareness and found it quite interesting

Well, 5x should be about five times as strong as plain leaf

It's very important to start small with this plant. Work your way up. You must have a level of respect (and humility) or she'll usually kick your butt Not saying that you don't...you appear to be approaching the plant in a very respectful manner.

Plain leaf and a 5x are a great starting point.

I have some other books about Salvia, if you're interested just shoot me a PM.

Safe journey!

Thanks ,I will give the 5x a go and see how I get on.
If I do wish information on any books I will pm you.

even 5 or 10x if smoked with a torch and bong can be entirely reality shattering and could leave you....a little perplexed. I found my two and only breakthroughs with this herb to be utterly chaotic and uncontrollable. Although the state i achieved was extremely interesting from the perspective of an experience, it was extremely uncomfortable and i wouldn't exactly call it fun. I literally felt as if i fractalled away from myself as i held the smoke in once. i saw myself, looking at myself, looking at myself etc...until i shattered into pieces and saw my arm rip off and fly away into a black void and i ended up half disembodied inside of some strange cube floating in a black cosmos. (in the real world i had somehow thrashed about and fell over a chair onto a wooden floor lol.) it was like everything including my body was sliced into tiny pieces like say a deck of cards and millions of layers were ripping apart and coming together with the roughness of velcro...extremely strange feeling.

I agree with acasian77, s. divinorum can certainly make for some strange experiences. But I have also had some wonderfully pleasurable experiences with it.

I would recommend you look into making your own extracts. It seems pretty easy, and that way you could potentially work your way up in even smaller increments (15x,20x,25x,30x,35x, etc.). I remember seeing a tek for making enhanced s. divinorum in the wiki.

Indeed, a 5x can be very powerful. What's most important, especially with extracts of any strength, is the dosage. If you just fill a bowl and hit it with a torch lighter you're going to blast yourself into Salviaspace very...unceremoniously...and it will most likely be rather uncomfortable. Working your way up with small pinches of extract is much more pleasant. With plain leaf you can pack bowls of it and hit it without paying as much attention to dosage, but even then some people have been known to be extremely sensitive to this plant and plain leaf alone will allow them to have a deep trip.

As for Salvia extraction teks the chilled acetone tek is the way to go. It's not on the wiki but it's so ridiculously simple and quick to perform. One pull takes 1 - 2 minutes.