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Naptha/Limonene Equivilency Options
 
Nathanial.Dread
#1 Posted : 5/25/2013 8:41:42 PM
Do naptha and d-limonene behave similarly enough that in Teks that require naptha, I could go ahead and substitute in d-Limonene with essentially the same results?

Is this also true of lye vs. pickling lime?

If that is the case, I'm thinking that based on this information, you could use Limonene in a basic A/B Tek with Phalaris and lose most of the gramine/hordenene that we want to avoid.
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/d...&m=306212#post306212

If my understanding of chemistry/analysis is wrong, any help anyone could provide would be rewarded with good vibes and maybe a cookie.

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Parshvik Chintan
#2 Posted : 5/25/2013 9:09:57 PM
basically yes. though i do not think salt helps if you are using limo.

though if gramine is your concern, naphtha works equally well (perhaps better) for isolating your product from gramine.
looking at that chart, however, it seems limo works good for hordenine as well. i don't think anybody knows the solubility of hordenine in naphtha.

but yea, the process is essentially the same, you are just changing the basification agent (ph is still getting raised) or the non-polar solvent (difference in solubility - but the process is the same).
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endlessness
#3 Posted : 5/25/2013 10:08:53 PM
Yeah you can use limonene but you need to salt out your alkaloids from it, it wont work to evaporate or freeze precipitate. If you want to eliminate gramine and hordenine, I think its more assured if you can use naphtha, but if you dont want to use that, then yes use limonene but use it cold/room temp, and maybe repeat the process a couple of times to eliminate most/all gramine. By repeating the process I mean, once you have your freebase alkaloids, redissolve in room temp limonene and salt/freebase them again. BLAB tek has all the instructions on salting limonene and converting alkaloid salts to their freebase form.
 
Parshvik Chintan
#4 Posted : 5/25/2013 11:13:14 PM
as far as salting goes, can you use any acid?
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