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GABA-B agonists and DMT experience ? Options
 
John Smith
#1 Posted : 2/20/2013 8:20:20 PM
Wondering if any members here have had a chance to experiment with fear abolishing qualities of GABA-B agonism. My doc prescribed me baclofen which I'm going to use on as needed basis and so far I've tried a smallish dose of it. I must admit smoking a big bowl of enhanced leaf is a very attractive option under these effects where in my normal state I'm probably the biggest pussy around when it comes down to heavy smoked experience.

Back many years ago when I was still experimenting with various nootropics/supplements and psychs(mostly aya) I've tried a small, barely thresh-hold amount of aya under above average effects of phenibut(somewhat euphoric and relaxed) and I couldn't believe how fast and how hard to was hitting me, I had to abort. The closed eyed visuals came on within half an hour and were very different, with classical fantasy creatures like fairies and fancy dressed wizards pointing to a deep well in the ground telling me its time to explore. I wish I proceeded with the experience however It wasn't the right time since it was mid-day and flatmates were present.

Now baclofen is considered a heavier, shorter acting version of phenibut, as the effects are quite similar. It would be interesting to hear if anyone have had experimented with GABA-B agonists specifically(phenibut, baclofen, GHB?) and whenever that has impacted the experience somewhat.
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Korey
#2 Posted : 2/21/2013 6:23:33 AM
Only GABA agonist I've experimented with in combination of DMT is ethanol. After a few drinks of whiskey I smoke spice sometimes, two glasses of whiskey makes me feel loose and content, not intoxicated nor buzzed, very relaxed. Utilizing this preliminary stage of alcohol inebriation coupled with taking psychedelics is safe and OK in my opinion. It doesn't cloud the experience nor take anything away from it. Higher levels of intoxication tend to cloud and even "dirty" the experience a bit.

Edit: with phenibut I don't experience anything but maybe a slight drowsiness at high doses, when I did use phenibut as a substitute for my nootropic I didn't notice any positive or negative interference with the DMT experience whatsoever.
“The most compelling insight of that day was that this awesome recall had been brought about by a fraction of a gram of a white solid, but that in no way whatsoever could it be argued that these memories had been contained within the white solid. Everything I had recognized came from the depths of my memory and my psyche. I understood that our entire universe is contained in the mind and the spirit. We may choose not to find access to it, we may even deny its existence, but it is indeed there inside us, and there are chemicals that can catalyze its availability.”
 
John Smith
#3 Posted : 2/24/2013 10:55:18 PM
If you still have phenibut, and have piracetam on hand I highly recommend combining the two. When taking those on their own I rarely experience change in conciousness(usually only first time when I take it, after half a year a break, or as a combo with other substances). When taken together, however, the effect is absolutely fantastic. Anxiolytic, subtle but crisp euphoria not unlike MDMA, very social and outgoing character. Also provides great sleep at night and a re-bound dopamine effect next morning - even after 3 hours of sleep you wake up fully rested and refreshed. Great when I needed a boost for a 2 day period. Doses I'm talking about start at 2grams of phenibut(or up to 3, if there's some tolerance) with indiscriminate amount of piracetam. It's under these effects that I wanna see how dmt experience may be affected.

I believe there is a report of massive potentiation of Changa under heavy dose of phenibut even on nexus but otherwise info is scarce, including everywhere else on the net. I'm going to combine low doses of Baclofen with piracetam, and/or noopept and see the effects first before proceeding.
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