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kenji
#1 Posted : 9/26/2012 4:15:23 PM
Hi everyone! I have a problem with my first evaporation and i really hope you can help me! Sad
Yesterday i've done my first extraction using STB Noman's Tek.
Everything went well, this morning i found my first crystals precipitaded from my first pull (2nd and 3rd are still in the freezer).
So, i poured all the naphtha (i used RONSONOL Lighter Fluid) from my glass bowl and then only nice snow white crystals remained.
So, i put the bowl upside-down with a side up, to let all the naphtha evaporate completely, because a very very very thin wet layer remained on the botton.
But now, after something like 8 hours, i went to check the bowl and it seems that the great part of the crystals are dry because they are more white and sharp than this morning, BUT, there is still the same thin wet layer on the ground, and if i touch it now its a little bit oily.. I know that it could be that thing that you call "goo", but everything in the bowl (naphtha and crystals) is perfectly white, no other alkaloids (i think), absolutely no dirt from the MHRB in the water solution. And i have not heated nothing in all the process, not the water, not the naphtha, not the crystals after the precipitation to help naphtha evaporate, so this shouldn't be dmt oxidate. And it can't be a residue of the RONSONOL, because i left a glass in the kitchen yesterday evening with a little bit of it (like 2-3 ml) and this morning the glass was completely clear and dry, no smell of naphtha at all!

What should i do now in your opinion? Maybe the naphtha requires DAYS to evaporate completely, so i should only wait? Or if not, what can i do?

And, I have the other two pulls in the freezer at the moment, what could i do to let naphtha better evaporate from these two pulls?
I'm probably missing something in this step.. but i can't waste the material from my first extraction!! Sad

Thank you very much!!
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cyb
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#2 Posted : 9/26/2012 4:28:07 PM
If you have a 'COLD' fan or a strong breeze...blow it over the dish for 20 mins...
The Goo will harden a bit and all the remaining Nap will go...

The Goo is still active DMT...it's just that it hasn't crystallized...
Scrape it up (when dried) with the xtals and it will sort of 'powder' itself...

it's all good and usable....Very happy
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kenji
#3 Posted : 9/26/2012 4:31:15 PM
cyb wrote:

If you have a fan or a strong breeze...blow it over the dish for 20 mins...
The Goo will harden a bit and all the remaining Nap will go...

The Goo is still active DMT...it's just that it hasn't crystallized...
Scrape it up (when dried) with xtals and it will sort of 'powder' itself...

it's all good and usable....Very happy

Thank you cyb, but i read everywhere to not heat the final bowl with crystal to speed the naphtha evaporation, or it will be worse..

Anyway, if I won't find a way to eliminate this oily ground, can i collect the crystals with my razor as well? And smoke them even if all the material i have is STICKY and not dry?? :/
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3rdI
#4 Posted : 9/26/2012 4:43:22 PM
cyb didnt say heat it, he said fan, the air flow from the fan will likely harden the goo a bit.

cyb also said you can smoalk it even though its a goo, just scrape it up, goo will often harden once it is scraped up.
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MomentOfTruth
#5 Posted : 9/26/2012 4:44:24 PM
Scrape it all up, and re-x in a small amount of naphtha or heptane.

For example. lets say you have 1 gram of dmt/oily stuff. Heat up some naphtha in a shot glass(fill shotglass about halfway with solvent) using a water bath.

Once the solvent in the shot glass is warm to the touch, just add your dmt/oily stuff into the shot glass of warm solvent and stir it until it is fully dissolved. Let it settle for 10 minutes or so. Usually there will be a little puddle of orange/brown goo that falls to the bottom of the shot glass. Then you just want to siphon that clean solvent layer off the top, leaving the impurities(orange/brown goo) in the shotglass to dry out. Save this goo, as you can smoke it later or infuse it with herbs or whatever.

Then dump the clean, dmt saturated solvent into a clean dish and it should evaporate off cleanly with no oily residue. This process cleans it up a little bit.

Recrystalization is quite easy. I re-x almost everything atleast once these days. I like to wait until i have a whole heap of dmt and do a big re-x with SUPER SATURATED solvent. Meaning i cram as much DMT into the solvent as i possible can get to fully dissolve and THEN stick it in the freezer or let it evaporate. This is how you get the big chucky shards/crystals of good clean dmt
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kenji
#6 Posted : 9/26/2012 4:53:47 PM
3rdI wrote:
cyb didnt say heat it, he said fan, the air flow from the fan will likely harden the goo a bit.

cyb also said you can smoalk it even though its a goo, just scrape it up, goo will often harden once it is scraped up.


So the cool air from a simple fan can help as well? Shouldn't be warm to evaporate naphtha?

@MomentOfTruth: thank you for your advice, i was thinking to re-x my 2nd pull, just to learn the procedure.. But if this first pull won't evaporate well, i'll try to re-x it too!
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cyb
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#7 Posted : 9/26/2012 4:55:51 PM
kenji wrote:
So the cool air from a simple fan can help as well? Shouldn't be warm to evaporate naphtha?


Yep...cool fan...just blast it from 2 feet away....don't blow away the xtals though...

Have a look at the pics in my Tek
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=36239
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kenji
#8 Posted : 9/26/2012 4:56:58 PM
cyb wrote:
kenji wrote:
So the cool air from a simple fan can help as well? Shouldn't be warm to evaporate naphtha?
!


Yep...cool fan...just blast it from 2 feet away....don't blow away the xtals though...


Ok, thanks! How many minutes do you advice?

P.S. i saw your photos and tek in your PDF, but you put the fan against the crystals??? Won't them fly away??? Shocked
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MomentOfTruth
#9 Posted : 9/26/2012 5:00:07 PM
no prob, buddy! trust me... once you start playing around with re crystallization you will never go back. I've been getting big fat dmt ROCKS lately from doing this. Its just incredible!

And as you mentioned, learning/watching the process is an experience on its own! A great one!

If you do the re-x technique and just do a quick evaporation you can literally watch the dmt precipitate in your dish almost immediately.

IMO it never hurts to re-x
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cyb
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#10 Posted : 9/26/2012 5:01:14 PM
cyb wrote:
blow it over the dish for 20 mins...


^^^^^
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kenji
#11 Posted : 9/26/2012 5:14:36 PM
cyb wrote:
cyb wrote:
blow it over the dish for 20 mins...


^^^^^

i saw your photos and tek in your PDF, but you put the fan against the crystals?!? Won't them fly away??? Shouldn't the air be UNDER the bowl with crystals?? I'm confused.. :/
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cyb
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#12 Posted : 9/26/2012 5:17:00 PM
kenji wrote:
cyb wrote:
cyb wrote:
blow it over the dish for 20 mins...


^^^^^

i saw your photos and tek in your PDF, but you put the fan against the crystals?!? Won't them fly away??? Shouldn't the air be UNDER the bowl with crystals?? I'm confused.. :/


No...youv'e got to fan dry the xtals and the goo...the cool air rushing over them will evap/dessicate them...
The xtals should be stuck to the goo so shouldn't blow away (don't blow too close)...it will all dry together....
20 mins should do it....then Scrape..

edit: xtals dissolve back into naphtha at room temp or lower...
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kenji
#13 Posted : 9/26/2012 5:29:10 PM
cyb wrote:
kenji wrote:
cyb wrote:
cyb wrote:
blow it over the dish for 20 mins...


^^^^^

i saw your photos and tek in your PDF, but you put the fan against the crystals?!? Won't them fly away??? Shouldn't the air be UNDER the bowl with crystals?? I'm confused.. :/


No...youv'e got to fan dry the xtals and the goo...the cool air rushing over them will evap/dessicate them...
The xtals should be stuck to the goo so shouldn't blow away (don't blow too close)...it will all dry together....
20 mins should do it....then Scrape..

edit: xtals dissolve back into naphtha at room temp or lower...

Ok! But, how can the "oil" dry? AFAIK, oils don't evaporate in this way, and also other kind of oils don't(olive oil, soy oil, etc etc).. They are not water-based..
Can you explain it, please?
Thank you so much! Pleased
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cyb
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#14 Posted : 9/26/2012 5:31:21 PM
Dude..you're just trying to 'harden' it a bit...not evap it...(already said above)
Once you scrape...you will see..
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MomentOfTruth
#15 Posted : 9/26/2012 6:20:29 PM
I've also run into this problem and I think i know what he means.

All your white crystals are there, and the smell of solvent is totally gone, but it appears as if the dish is still slightly wet. It almost looks like little clear water drops in between the crystals. This stuff will not dry no matter how much you blow your fan over it in my experience. Every now and then I have this issue of the clear oily residue. Usually when you scrape it up you will get a tint of yellow to it from the oily stuff.

If there is no scent of solvent left and you still see the oily stuff, then your best bet to clean it up is the re-x.

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cyb
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#16 Posted : 9/26/2012 6:46:03 PM
MomentOfTruth wrote:
If there is no scent of solvent left and you still see the oily stuff


The oily stuff IS DMT...just in a different form from the crystals...

vape it and see..
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kenji
#17 Posted : 9/27/2012 1:07:17 AM
MomentOfTruth wrote:
I've also run into this problem and I think i know what he means.

All your white crystals are there, and the smell of solvent is totally gone, but it appears as if the dish is still slightly wet. It almost looks like little clear water drops in between the crystals. This stuff will not dry no matter how much you blow your fan over it in my experience. Every now and then I have this issue of the clear oily residue. Usually when you scrape it up you will get a tint of yellow to it from the oily stuff.


Yes Moment, exactly like this, it seems like water, not oil.. but now i checked my bowl and everything seems to be more dry.. I'll use my fan over it tomorrow for some minutes too.. Pleased

Anyway, my bowl with the crystals is not odorless at the moment, but it smells really bad, like some kind of bleach... Neutral
Is it the normal scent of the DMT crystals, or should i wait until the bowl will be COMPLETELY odorless??? Confused
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kenji
#18 Posted : 9/27/2012 1:42:52 AM
cyb wrote:
Dude..you're just trying to 'harden' it a bit...not evap it...(already said above)
Once you scrape...you will see..

Ok cyb, now it's clear! Smile
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