I've been working on extracting DMT from multiple types of plants, mainly Phalaris. I have had a few batches that come out in nice yellow, almost crystalline goo. But most other times it comes out in a fine, almost cocaine looking powder. Often yellow but a few times white. It smells like regular DMT but never leads to a mind blowing trip just small, barely noticeable hallucinations. The batch I have after some evaporation is a green liquid with some residue on the bottom. Below is the tek that I use. Can anyone please help before I completely give up?

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1. Grind up plant matter into a mash, add water.
2. Add in an acid (I use pool pH decreaser) until pH is around 3 or 4. Stir and let sit for around an hour
3. Filter out all plant matter, first with a strainer, then a coffee filter. The resulting liquid often comes out looking similar to Iced Tea
4. The de-fattening process. I use Naphtha mostly but sometimes Ethyl. Add in around 10-15% solvent, shake and let sit for around 1 hour or so. Separate top layer from bottom layer. I use the ziploc bag technique for this step.
5. After pulling out the fats add in the base. (I use to use Baking Soda, but have recently switched to Comet) Get pH up to around 8 or 9. Add in another 10% of solvent. Shake and let sit until 2 layers have formed. (For me it usually forms 3 layers, a layer of solvent, a layer of aqueous solution, and a layer of base) To extract I use the same method as in step 4.
6. Evaporate the solvent from the DMT. (This is where everything goes down hill for me.)

This is the way I normally go about performing my extractions. Does anyone know why they keep messing up????????????????

Well I was going to say that the baking soda was the problem, but then I read that you were now using Comet, so I'd say go back to the baking soda.
8 or 9 is seriously underbasified, you should be using lye.
What is "Ethyl"?

Ethyl was recommended as a solvent in one tekk. The problem with the baking soda and comet is that they don't dissolve in the solution, they just sit at the bottom. Lye crystals are hard to get and I heard they are dangerous to use, but they are pretty popular. I guess I could try to obtain them. The last batch I received a green and black goo, but it still glistens in light. Are they crystals?

ethyl acetate ? or ethyl what ?

You definitely need another base such as sodium hydroxide, potassium hydroxide, trisodium phosphate. You can also make lye by mixing calcium hydroxide and sodium carbonate (which can be made by baking sodium bicarbonate for an hour or two).

Lastly, you say you're extracting "phalaris", but what phalaris species exactly? Is it wild, or is it cultivated? You should research some more because there are many phalaris that wont have DMT or will have many toxic alkaloids, etc etc. Read the phalaris link in my signature and all the phalaris links inside of that thread.

I use wild phalaris arundinacea, which grows everywhere. I have also used phalaris tuberosa, arundo donax, and desmanthus illinoensis, all which do contain DMT. I have pool pH increaser, could i use that? I have a can of Coleman fuel that contains ethyl.

^good luck getting any useable ammount of clean DMT from wild arundiancea..it is something I have persued for years now. There is tryptamines in there but it is nothing like pure DMT at all. The ratio other tryptamines and beta carbolines dwarf the DMT content. I had an extract tested last year. There was far more beta carbolines than tryptamines..and more 5meoNMT than DMT.. I dunno how you will seperate all of that out. It is still interesting to work with but dont expect a clean DMT experience from this stuff. It is a different experience and alkaloid content varries season to season drastically in my experience based on personal bioassays.

I would not use that colam fuel either with other chemicals in it..it is likely that will pull gramine/hordenine which you do not want to ingest.

If you have never worked with DMT..get some mimosa and extract some DMT from that so you have a reliable DMT sample to compare bioassays with..otherwise you might get some effect, come back here and claim you have extracted DMT when in reality you could have any number of tryptamines and beta carbolines in ratio.

It is for these reasons that the known high DMT profile strains are being grown by many people, which also have clean profiles..brachystachys, AQ1 and select strains of arundiancea like Big Medicine etc that must be cloned to keep those genetics..

Whats the source for your information regarding these plants containing DMT? Is it specified how much DMT, and what other alkaloids?

It seems you havent researched much into it otherwise you would have seen its not that simple. Please check the nexus wiki for DMT containing plants and references to the information. Also please check the link in my signature.



What does your pool pH increaser have in it ? Please include more information otherwise we cannot answer questions. What does the label say?

Also "ethyl " doesnt exist as a solvent, so you mean something else. Ethyl acetate? (di)Ethyl ether?

Check this too:

https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m....2Fchemical_OK_to_use.3F

Ok. So yesterday I did my usual extraction method with Sodium bisulfate as the acid and Sodium Hydroxide as the base. After turning to desperation to get DMT I put a BUNCH of base into my solution. After performing the extraction I literally pooped my pants at the results. Sitting at the bottom of my evaporation dish, pure clear glassy crystals!!!
Finally, a pure extraction from Phalaris arundinacea.

Many alkaloids are crystals, including toxic ones like gramine. In theory it shouldnt be soluble in naphtha though. Might be other tryptamine derivatives, or some beta carbolines, with unknown activity or toxicity. Im not even sure if all the other gramine-based substances (like 7 methoxy gramine) also present in some phalaris are not naphtha-soluble

Please proceeed with caution, start small. Ideally for the long term you should look into TLC for testing alkaloids.

Can you share pictures and notes (for example % yield, when was phalaris harvested, what geographic area more or less, how long from harvest till extracting, how you processed it, etc) ?

like I said, it is VERY unlikely there is much DMT in those crystals at all..most likely just a bunch of different alkaloids.

After sampling approx. 10 mg of the crystal I began to feel extremely odd and my TV began to move. My walls were moving and it felt like there was some weird energy going into my body. This lasted for around 10-12 min.
The phalaris I harvested is in northern ohio. The batch was picked on June 19th at around 2 pm. Within the hour I began the extraction. The yield was extremely small. I would say around 0.7-1.5%. Next post will be a detailed report on my next extraction.

** I have been looking into phalaris canariensis. Does anyone have any information on if this grass is a reliable DMT source or not?

0.7-1.5% is very high yield. If that had mostly DMT, you're extremely lucky

https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/DMT#Phalaris_spp.
https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/5-MeO-DMT#Phalaris_spp.

Plus check out the Festi and Samorini amazing article which is linked in the phalaris analysis thread in my signature

The crystals clouded up after an hour of exposure after evaporation. I figured if was the impurities reacting with oxygen. But the effects were similar to that of 5meoDMT with a mixture of DMT and some other odd effects that I couldn't pinpoint. The crystals were around 1/2 cm or so, and were a solid cube shape. While in the naphtha the crystals remained a nice shiny clear color. When smoked it began to bubble but still vaopized leaving a fine white ash that cemented to the tin I was dragon chasing off of. Does this sound like DMT crystal or is that a sign of impurities???

"But the effects were similar to that of 5meoDMT with a mixture of DMT and some other odd effects that I couldn't pinpoint"

Yes I know that feeling..when it really worked for me that is what it was like..I have never worked with pure 5meoDMT though so I cannot really say it was like that..but it was like what I assumed pure meo crystal would be like..but also different..each batch was a little bit different as well.

Thanks jamie you have been extremely helpful. In a few days I am going to be in a different area for a month or 2 and I will be testing the differences of phalaris grasses in that climate compared to the current one I am in, and also testing phalaris grass with different A/B extractions along with STB extractions and posting results of each to help find which methods bring out bigger yields with minimal impurities.