Hello

My friend was working with 300ml of d-limo that he left aside for a couple weeks. Once he returned to it, he noticed that a reddish oil was precipitating from the d-limo.


He decanted away from this oil into a clean glass, and proceeded to add 50ml of FASW, agitating and separating with a pipette three times. In the end he had about 150ml of FASW pulls and a minute amount of d-limo that he evapped down in a toaster oven at 200 degrees F.

The 150ml FASW was transparent before the evap, began to yellow as it concentrated, and ended in a yellow film that is plastered to the bottom of the dish.


Does anyone know why my friend didn't precipitate anything, not even excess fumaric acid? The yellow oil isn't scrapable but seems more permanently plastered to the glass. He's confused though because he was expecting to scrape cystallized/gooey dmt fumarate.

Everything up to the d-limo pulls was done normally and has been successful before. 300g of bark with 300ml vinegar/300ml dh20, 250g sodium carb.

The yellow film redissolved in a small amount of dh2o, so I left it under a fan to more slowly evap at room temp. I've taken it off the fan now as it's becoming more of a thick, carmalized goo. Is this looking right?


It looks like the jimjam red jungle dmt, which I guess is what I was going for. I thought the fumarates would be easier to store, idk what to do with this goop.

Should I dissolve it in an aqueous solution and drink it with an maoi?

Or should I keep scraping it around until it's more solid and cap it or something?

Thats the thing with FASW, sometimes its very impure. Washing the limonene with sodium carb solution before salting can help a bit.

Yours seems quite impure indeed, so will be hard to know the dosage, but of course you can try it out, to keep letting it harden and then caps and consume. But I would clean up at least part of it

Do you have acetone or IPA? I would try to clean it up. Maybe this is of help:

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=28417

If I were you I would take half of that and clean up, and the other half keep for comparison of yield/appearance/dosage. So you can clean some up and take in separate occasions to compare.

If yu dont have acetone/IPA, you could even try basing this by dry mixing with sodium carbonate, adding a bit of water to make paste, then pulling with limonene, and salting the limo again.

Let us know how it goes

Cool, thanks Endlessness. I followed your guide that you linked and it worked! Here's how it went:
I was able to scrape together and weigh 2.2g of jimjam fumaric goo, which I put in a fresh dish.


I weighed out 1.8g of sodium carbonate that I converted from baking soda. I added this to the goo and mixed with some dh2o to make a watery paste that I evapped with fans and light heat. I ended up with a brownish powder that I crushed up.



I then pulled 3x with ~25ml acetone. The first pull took a lot of the brown color with it and also some of the mass. The second and third pulls leeched more color from the sediment, but didn't seem to dissolve any more of it.

I combined these 3 pulls (~75ml) and added about 40ml of FASA. There was immediate white clouding throughout the solution, and I was pleased to let it sit overnight.


I decanted the acetone and let the dish dry under a fan for 12 hours. It was kinda sticky to scrape.


I crushed the crystals up to let them dry more, then weighed them to be ~1.2g, looking like dry, light-tan powder.


Thanks again for your help endlessness, was glad I forced myself to do this; I learned some good stuff. It also made me doubt the efficacy of the d-limo tek. If I wanted to achieve a near-pure product it seems an a/b with naphtha would be the way to go, starting off with white freeze-precip'd crystals that you can then convert in a FASA.

While I was doing this I read a bunch of posts about the jimjam, and from what I gathered from your analysis' is that there aren't many more alkaloids that are pulled with d-limo than with naphtha. And it seems like a waste of time and resources to go through refining the fumarates from a d-limo.

What do you think endlessness? It seems the food-safety of the d-limo doesn't outweigh the purity of the naphtha. Especially if you're recrystallizing the end product anyway as a salt or evapping it over some changa.