This combo seems to be taking flight as a new preference for entheogen users, though maybe just a phase, I am still VERY interested, simply due to the apparent synergy between both compounds. I am very experienced with rue, usually taking about .7 of 10x rue extract (roughly 7g of seed), 40-50mg of sublingual harmalas, along with a 4 hour vaped dmt session once every couple of days...My cubes recently have been picked, and seeing as I have a large amount of rue exract, I've been considering combining them for a more dmt-like experience, but slow enough to receive the lessons..If one is an experienced user, with a fairly high tolerance for any substance, where would be a good place to start as far as doses go? I mean, I'd still like to be able to move around, but also be more in connection with what I'm experiencing...thanks fellas!

If you're getting MAO inhibition with 0.7g of your extract, I'd keep that up. I'd start with 2g-3g of cubes. The psilocybin is potentiated to a fairly high degree. If you're combining these two entheogens, I wouldn't plan anything, and expect for a loss of sanity. The combination will allow you to go deep.

How deep, exactly? I mean, everyone's description of the effects are very vague, so its kept me somewhat distant from this combo recently...I've been pretty deep for extended amounts of time, but deep can have different meanings to different peeps...Can anyone give an awesome description of this mixture? On your marks...get set....GO!

I did 2 sesions with 3gram of rue and about 30liberty caps last year.

I can´t really compare wince ive never eaten liberty caps without rue but it was a very string experience, def comparable to 4-5grams of dried cubes.

Most people say that 30 liberty caps should be a mild trip but with the rue it was preety intense and the peak lasted for a good 4 hours, actually it felt somewhat like acid in the way that i didnt get sober untill the day after.

After that i realized that i will never again eat shrooms without harmalas since it´s a waste of psilobin.

Eating shrooms with any MAO inhibitor is more like ayahuasca than it is like said shrooms solo.

Visuals are stronger and feel realer as opposed to the more synesthesia and distortion effects of classic psychedelics on their own. The information received seems to be more useful and makes more sense when you come down. If you've ever tried to read the notes you took while on shrooms or L while sober, you might know that whole "it seemed so important at the time" thing.

The reason SWIM thinks shrooms should always be done with harmalas (aside from saving shrooms) is that the experience is less head trippy. It is stronger in many ways, but certainly less emotional. Harmalas have a bit of a dissociative effect IMO. There is a distance and clarity that keeps the shrooms from getting into those subconscious mind loops and self conscious ruts. These things are no big deal, and nothing that a bit of mediation won't cure... but the psilohuasca experience is beyond that stuff from the get go. Far more immediately cosmic, and less about warping your immediate reality. Complex visions with multilayered meanings instead of walls breathing & multicolored trails.

Obviously this can be different for different folks, different occasions, and different dosages. Large doses of mushrooms can certainly take you to similar spaces eventually... rue, aya and the other RIMAs just make the whole thing more natural and expansive.

Thank you, H Fool! Also to you shroomtroll, tho I have never eaten liberty caps. Are those outdoor psilocybin shrooms? The description, Fool, was exactly what I was looking for...so if I'm used to using 7g of rue with vaped dmt, should I kick down to 3-4 g of rue, along with say, 2 grams of psilocybin? Also, regarding ayahuasca, I have a question...I was recently notified of a local shaman through some st. daime friends of mine (i am not a member), and he's putting together a ceremony...suggested donation was $195....my immediate response called bullshit...Does this sound scammy to anyone?

Sounds like a good starting point. You could always add more of either if called for.

For people totally unexperienced, people can start out with less mushies and then add more as they feel comfortable. It isn't such a big deal though. Like I said, a lot of people will have a harder time with the plain mushrooms.

Biggest thing to keep in mind is not letting anyone accidentally mix the MAOI with something that could go very wrong like prescription meds, caffeine, stimulants etc.