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DMT Full Spectrum Extract using Di ethyl ether & n-heptaneÉ Options
 
TylerW60
#1 Posted : 6/12/2011 2:04:00 AM
É = question mark, damn french keyboard

Anyways, Hi swim is performing his first ever Dmt extraction using finely powdered purple inner root bark.

For swims first run swim will be using Gunk Liquid Fire Starting Fluid ( about 40% n-heptane 60% diethyl ether), commonly found for $4 at your local Canadian tire or wally world (wal-mart)

http://www.canadiantire....252BFluid.jsp?locale=en

Material Safety Data Sheet http://msds.canadiantire...ile.asp?s=71908&v=3

swim will be using a old fashioned glass gallon sized jug, 200 grams of mhrb and 100 grams of pure lye pre-mixed with 2 liters of boiled tap water. Then however much solvent swim can condense out of the small ass can of Liquid fire ( says 210 grams on bottle, hoping for a decent amount of liquid solvent, at least 100 ml )

swim will proceed to shake shake shake, let settle for an hour, then add the liquid fire using a Jerry rigged contraption condenser constructed by taking a 500 ml bottle of lemon flavored carbonated spring water, drinking the contents, then proceeding to punch a small hole in both the bottom of the bottle and the lid. Lid hole is big enough for a straw to fit through, and bottoms hole is big enough for de-nozzled liquid fire aerosol spout to squeeze into, pushing valve open in process. Straw is then plugged with paper at far lid end, inserted through the lid, pushed until reaches bottom hole of bottle,bottle bottom hole is then sealed using something, then bottle is filled with water. Then lid is screwed on so straw firmly rest against the inner portion of the bottom hole inside the bottle. Then goes into freezer. After frozen solid plug removed from bottom hole and staw via small poking device, bottle inverted, liquid fire inserted, condensing directly into swims awesome glass gallon jug on top of the naoh mmrb solution.

Once sufficient solvent level is eyeballed to be enough, can is removed from condenser , condenser removed from awesome gallon glass jug, then shake shake shake, swirl swirl swirl, repeat , let settle, repeat, if emulsions forming will call for more NaOH (although I hear diethyl ether is amazing for not forming emulsions) settle, repeat, settle for 1 hour then turkey baster off into wine glass, attempt freeze precipitation crystallization by putting in fridge then -20 c freezer, fridge, freezer, fridge, freezer. If n-heptane and ether separate then crystals should form in the n-heptane of mostly n-n-dmt, while other alkaloids stay in ether. If they don`t separate ( probably won`t) then crystal formation is rather unlikely, And evaporation will proceed on top of a 30 c seedling heat mat behind of fan blowing outside on a Pyrex baking dish in pitch dark of night ( don`t want to lose any alkaloids that might be sensitive to light).

Swim`s just wondering if this sounds good. Also stupid swim purchased starter fluid containing anti-rust and corrosion inhibitors , leaving behind residue on a evaporate test of a small amount (2 ml) of condensed solvent. Would doing a water wash ( shaking condensed solvent in a sealed container with water) remove some or most of these greasy residuesÉ, or if not, (swims assuming not because greasy and water don`t mix) is there another liquid swim could use to remove these impuritiesÉ perhaps basified water, acidic water É ect Swim just hates wasting things, but is also a health nut. If freeze precipitation works with liquid fuel, then this might be used, then x-tals re xed with more liquid fire.

Also, no scale is available, and likely will not be acquired soon, so swim requires the volumetric equivalents for the amounts of substances swim is using for each substance ( mmrb and naoh.

Swim has read that approx 1 cup of mmrb powdered is 96 - 100 grams, but swim isn`t willing to be that risky with this precious substance, so swim is asking if anyone out there can weight the amounts for him ( 200 grams mmrb and 100 grams small granulated lye, or any amount, then see how many tablespoons or cups this relates too)would be very much appreciated.

After initial extraction is performed, then another will be done using pure light hydrotreated aliphatic petroleum naphtha,

Material Safety Data Sheet http://www.cloverdalepai...nfo/html_msds/78007.htm

Differences will be compared

Swim has gotten this idea of method of extraction from this

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...;t=1574&find=unread

and mostly this

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...spx?g=posts&t=13094

and some of this

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...spx?g=posts&m=22979

Much credit to those people for there revolution in clean extraction of a full spectrum DMT magic.
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q21q21
#2 Posted : 6/12/2011 3:38:40 AM
Will read this later but just on the ?
alt + 63 = ? (did it right there)
just like I can type é via alt +386

Think it should work even if your keyboard is set to that.
Q21Q21's Tek: A comprehensive guide to extracting DMT
The 2 teks use non-toxic lime and vinegar and Tek 1: d-Limonene or Xylene or Tek 2: Naptha to produce very quick high yields with the greatest of ease.

I am almost never on this site anymore so I will likely not answer PMs

 
benzyme
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#3 Posted : 6/12/2011 3:44:00 AM
sounds pretty good
except the solvent may degrade the bottle.
rust inhibitors tend to have proton donors/acceptors, so a sodium bicarb wash
of the nonpolar phase with alkaloids should clean it up
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TylerW60
#4 Posted : 6/12/2011 5:08:26 AM
why thank you for your acknowledgment and quick response , the plastic bottle is nothing to worry about , however the straw ( which is what will be in contact with the solvent) might degrade, I had thought about that, so I will take a straw sample and unleash a samples of the liquid fire on it first to see how it will react. The glass bottle I am assuming will be fine for all these chemicals correct, also at what point will pressure (if any) build up through the process, so I know to not lid the jug. Also the defected solvent contains upper engine lubricants, which I fear are the cause of the greasiness in the residue, or A`m I simply seeing either one and the same ( rust inhibitors and lubricant same chemical). Can I perform a Sodium Carbonate wash on the solvent to clean it before using it in the first place ?
I will study this on my own time if need be, so please don`t spend much time finding out unless you already know answer.
Also, how long is sufficiently long enough for letting the basic extraction phase settle before doing the first pull with such a bad ass solvent with such alkaloid absorbing properties to maximally use it to its full potential? Also there is to consider diethyl ether's solubility into h20 (6.9 g/100 mL) liquid fire is half diethyl ether so ( 210 grams - 5 grams loss = 205 grams divided by 2 = 102.5 - ( 2000 ml divided by 100 = 20 * 6.9 grams = 138 grams lost due to absorption)= - 35.5 grams ... ( over how long ? is the main problem I would like to know and under what conditions, warmer and less concentrated the H2O is with solutes the better for migration probably) so as to not loose the already extracted alkaloids back into basic H2O MHRB solution .
Then again I`m reminded of density, and the act of mechanical shaking during the periods of mixing the solvent layer in. One cannot ignore the fact that the shear properties of the solvents most likely out way the limited absorption of the diethyl into the water. They will have the tenancy to always separate, what I don`t understand is why then they say it is soluble, is this by bonds forming between the chemicals holding diethyl in the constantly changing pattern of water molecules and other substances by the chance of the diethyl ester bonds breaking randomly and releasing a higher kinetic energy supplied molecule more likely to become absorbed into the H2O as the solvent solution reaches equilibrium? Then it may be assumed applying heat to the bottom of the glass jug would be a bad idea due to a higher thermal density at the bottom, letting more solvent be absorbed due to the downwardly increasing gradient of increasing chaos of disturbed molecules and increased kinetic energy. One might use this to their advantage as a 2 step program, first at the beginning of the solvent addition to the extraction to aid in maximally absorbing the alkaloids out of the organic soupy magic, then turning the heat source to the top of the glass jug, to aid in overall chaos formation and pressure density increase minus solvent layer density descrease causing migration of solvent layer upwards along with actives, then finally extracting off solvent layer ( would most likely already be suitable for direct freeze precipitation crystallization because the n-heptane would become the main component of the solvent layer as the diethyl ether would either be absorbed into the organic base solution and even more so evaporated into the top of the glass jugs bottleneck ( during this stage a balloon with a hole poked into it would be fitted over the lip of the jug to allow for vapor expansion and release) Also would the alkaloids have the tenancy to favor migration to the cleaner less concentrated solution of solvent layer and cycle back there before becoming as saturated as the H2O NaOH MHRB solution. It seems there may be many constant chemical cycles that are occurring in even the simplest extractions , I love the knowledge of knowing this and getting to know this kind of mechanics at such a small scale. ???♣ alt + 63 = ♥, Thank

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benzyme
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#5 Posted : 6/12/2011 6:15:40 AM
you're overthinking this.
ether has marginal miscibility with water, but has a high vapor pressure...you'll definitely want to vent it. the partition coefficient is lower than that of DMT, indicating that it is more polar, whereas heptane's logP is higher. this sort of binary mixture actually favors DMT, and would even make for a decent mobile phase in chromatography.
the lubricants are heavy weight parrafinics, so washing with sodium bicarb will not get rid of it. instead, put the solvent in the freezer, then decant. the residue should be apparent, which would be the lubricants.


oh, and HDPE plastic is degraded by these nonpolars. you may not be able to see it, but
mass spec would reveal it. you don't want to inhale even traces of vaporized plastic.
"Nothing is true, everything is permitted." ~ hassan i sabbah
"Experiments are the only means of attaining knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." -Max Planck
 
TylerW60
#6 Posted : 6/12/2011 6:33:08 AM
Yes I know I`m over thinking it, but that's me, plus I want to make sure SWIM does it right, he has bad luck. Thank you, so simple a solution to just freeze it and yes I definitely will not use any plastic, however I hear PVC is good at least for condensing?

Also what would be any volume of granulated lye crystals weight and any volume finely powdered slightly packed mimosa hostiles root bark be ? I`m assuming estimates will be appropriate for now due to the solvents stronger ability to pull alks ?

I was reading this a moment before you responded, http://www.chromatograph...e.org/topics/water.html , I understand it better now. I`m thinking of lubricating swims straw to make it pull out-able to create a ice hole for his solvent to spray into, first using a pipe cleaner and water to remove the stuck on lube

Thank you
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