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peacefulSKY wrote:Infinite I wrote:Hope this works out also been looking at this plant as in a similiar situation to yourself. It's everywhere here too. 50 euros to test something that's far too much! maybe tlc kits will be good, just difficult to import things where I am or even export bloody drug samples nightmare import/export deal where I am.  Got everything crossed for you man keep us posted eh cheers. I get you bro. Similar situation where I'm at. I've still got a good bit of the Arundo rhizome powder, so shall try with a diff tek soon. Will keep you'll posted  Thats great man hopefully Ill start experimenting in a month or two just atm got too much on, wondering in your post no.19 the second photo looks like white powder/crystals what is that??
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Ahh I see shit eh, dont worry im sure we will both get there Ive had a few failed extractions in the past hopefully we will find something of value 
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You could do a "mini-A/B" on what you have there. Essentially, you following the same procedure: acid, base, pull. But it will be much smaller than the initial extraction. ~wap~ + ---- + ---- + ---- + ---- + ---- + ---- + ---- + ---- DMT Nexus Research ---- + ---- + ---- + ---- + ---- + ---- + ---- + ---- +
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When you say you got nothing significant, I´m still wondering what does that mean ? Because, just so you know, even if you have the wanted alkaloids it may end up misleadingly seeming like small amount of goo that is actually heavier than it looks and is active.
I suggest if you can´t afford the international testing, at the very least get a couple of reagents, like ehrlich and marquis, to help identifying what you may have there.
And yes regarding emulsion, as said, you can re-A/B it.
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IME, working with poaceae(grass) sources seems like it will be difficult for those not already well experienced with tryptamine extractions and the chemical characteristics of DMT. If you dont know what to look for and do, it will be like trying to put together a puzzle. You can do it but it might be confusing or difficult. I would use the simplest extraction possible first to verify you have tryptamines, and then clean it up if you want after that. Also, understand you are going to get a mixture of tryptamines and possibly beta carbolines from donax. Not pure DMT, and maybe not even mostly DMT. Long live the unwoke.
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jamie wrote:IME, working with poaceae(grass) sources seems like it will be difficult for those not already well experienced with tryptamine extractions and the chemical characteristics of DMT.
If you dont know what to look for and do, it will be like trying to put together a puzzle. You can do it but it might be confusing or difficult. I would use the simplest extraction possible first to verify you have tryptamines, and then clean it up if you want after that.
Also, understand you are going to get a mixture of tryptamines and possibly beta carbolines from donax. Not pure DMT, and maybe not even mostly DMT. Yup; one'gota learn to walk before he learns to run. Extracting arundo is beyond just running, it is like sprinting when you are a month's old. Sure you might succeed but the odds are against you.... But having said that i applaud the efford; please live and learn Need to calculate between salts and freebases? Click here! Need to calculate freebase or salt percentage at a given pH? Click here!
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Also look into Thin Layer Chromatography, even paper chromatography. Chromatograms can be sprayed with the reagents.
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Have you used Acetone yet?
Every time I used it with Phalaris it pulled the alkaloids quite nice.
Now, I don't mind getting a plant-extract over a pure alkaloid extract.
With Acacia Simplex, I once was de-fatting with xylene and pulling with acetone.
After a while all the plant gunk separated from the xylene and there was a lot of cloudy solvent.
So I siphoned out the clouds and added it to a separate tray to evaporate.
Almost identical alkaloid signatures. No TLC but smoking proved extremely potent. Most full force tryptamine experience for one person who thought they were lost in an eternal abyss.
And have you tried doing monthly harvests?
No clue if Arundo Donax has been found to have seasonal/diurnal differences in alkaloid content.
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Chimp Z wrote:Have you used Acetone yet?
Every time I used it with Phalaris it pulled the alkaloids quite nice.
Now, I don't mind getting a plant-extract over a pure alkaloid extract.
With Acacia Simplex, I once was de-fatting with xylene and pulling with acetone.
After a while all the plant gunk separated from the xylene and there was a lot of cloudy solvent.
So I siphoned out the clouds and added it to a separate tray to evaporate.
Almost identical alkaloid signatures. No TLC but smoking proved extremely potent. Most full force tryptamine experience for one person who thought they were lost in an eternal abyss.
And have you tried doing monthly harvests?
No clue if Arundo Donax has been found to have seasonal/diurnal differences in alkaloid content.
// No bro, I haven't tried acetone as yet. Will give it a go and see how it works with donax. I've just now started with arundo donax for the first time so haven't had the time frame for a monthly harvest yet. Do you think the alkaloid content in rhizomes would vary on a monthly cycle? Thanks for the info chimp z, it's much appreciated
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Not aware if there's even existing in depth data on Arundo Donax's alkaloid synthesis in the plant.
This is a theory;
so until TLC is performed you won't know if tryptamines are contained.
Even if DMT is not in the A. Donax rhizome there is a possibility it is active.
I would try giving a little bit a puff in a spliff or something.
Have also read Arundo Donax being somehow medicinal so maybe there are non-tryptamine usages.
Just these past 2 years have found out that Phalaris Arundinacea is orally active on its own a great part of the year, so Arundo Donax might just turn out to be a similar case.
It is its own entheogen not concerning itself with DMT content.
Also maybe try playing around with pH levels and see what ya get each yield.
Calcium Hydroxide vs Sodium Hydroxide pulls, etc.
Most likely when the plant flowers its rhizomes will be lacking.
If time is available, I would try a few different locations monthly.
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