We all know that DMT extraction can be very complicated and even dangourous, especially for people who didn't do so well in chemestry class. This got me thinking. Why not just take your acacia bark or whatever you want to extract the drug from, boil it with distilled water into a tea, and let the tea completely evaporate? After that, there should be some dried powder or residue left at the bottom of the pot right? So why not scrape that into your pipe, smoke it, and let the alien abduction begin? Would this work? Why or why not?

smoking implies combustion, dmt will decompose if you try to smoke it.

the residue you'd find would be a mixture of plant structural proteins, sugars, and alkaloids
bound to tannins. you wouldn't be able to vaporize that efficiently, and it would be quite harsh to inhale.
extraction is actually a very simple process, if you can pay attention to a few details.
not particularly dangerous either, despite the fearmongering you've read/seen in media.

vaporization is much more efficient than smoking, regardless of the compound.

Extraction isn't dangerous in the sense that a person who did bad in chemistry might add the wrong thing at the wrong time and cause an explosion, or create a poison gas, other than the solvent itself. That's not the case. Solvents do not react with based water, or plant material. There is no risk of "bad chemistry" causing some kind of unexpected reaction. One does have to not ignite their solvent with a flame.... just as they have to not light anything flammable. And one has to be careful not to touch lye water, or get it in their eye (lye added to water might bubble fiercly and creates a lot of heat. Add it slowly). And you have to make sure your container doesn't break, which will cause a leak of solvent. The risks are: burns from base water, solvent inhalation, solvent spill, ignition of solvent.

However, a real, and common danger of doing extractions is to your rugs! Based mimoss stains bad, and permanent, and solvent might bleach a rug, and stink it up.

But, I belive that extracting dmt can be done without the use of solvents. Soon I will experiment with some mimosa. I believe that if as much tannins as possible are filtered out or allowed to settle out of mimsoa tea, dmt will crash out when sodium carbonate is added, and allowed to sit in the cold. We know it works with pure dmt in regular water, it should work for mimosa tea.... but for some reason people who have tried it claim this doesn't work. I hope to be the first to succeed in a solvent free extraction. Too bad it may not be relevant for very long, considering that this stuff seems to be becoming more illegal as time goes on.

Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding, but how would you separate the DMT without a nonpolar solvent? I feel like even if you got something out of this process, there would be a much higher risk of contamination.


As far as the OP goes, the DMT in the leftover residue would be in salt form anyway, and would need to be converted to freebase in order to be vaporized effectively.

Fwiw, water is a solvent.

Sodium carbonate and etoh have been shown to work, repeatedly. Water only attempts have failed just about every time someone reliable has tried. What makes water & sodium carbonate preferable to etoh & sodium carbonate?

The problem is, too much stuff comes across in the water. When you evaporate a water extraction you usually end up with some kind of sticky/gooey resin. It doesn't burn well, you might get a buzz but it's practically impossible to reach a breakthrough. I haven't tried it with Acacia, but Mimosa, Phalaris and Virola evaporated teas all had the same issue. You can use the resins for oral dosing, though.

Is etoh used in the cake method? I have tried to read about it, but I don't understand the theory. Based alcohol is poured on mhrb, and then the alkaloids float to the top?



Adding sodium carbonate to water with salty dmt causes dmt flakes to crash out, which turn to crystals if left in a cold place for a few days. DMT crashes out of based water. It works perfectly for converting dmt fumarate to freebase, and the tek I am talking about would be the exact same technique for extracting caapi. But for some reason I'm not sure why... people have said that trying to extract directly from mimosa tea does not work. But for some reason I believe I can do it. I don't think there is much risk of contamination, none that a simple cold, slightly based water won't solve.

Yea, the cake method uses ethanol, iirc, but I'm unfamiliar with the actual tek.

Here's endlessness' experiment with vinegar, sodium carb, and ethanol.

Ah, I forgot about sodium carbonate washes. Interesting! I'm also curious to see if this process would work.

well I read endlessness' tek and it sounds good... although I'm still not even sure how he got his product as refined as it was. The process is to redissolve the evaped alcohol pulls in vinegar, then base it, and pull again with alcohol. I'm not sure how this further refines the product because you're just pulling as much alcohol as you can. Unless I'm mistaken and the alkaloids actually float to the top of the mixture and you filter those out?

Anyway, the end result is still seems to be a "crude" product that doesn't smoke well, and needs a lot of re-washing. I hope to get an almost entirely pure product with only one pull from tea, followed by one sodium carbonate wash.

I believe the trick lies in removing as much tannins as possible from the mimosa tea. I have a few tricks up my sleeve to achieve this, from what I have noticed from brewing mimosa teas.

Ah dammit, I might as well go ahead and try it small scale. Now I'm really curious about it.

To the OP, I actually tried it exactly as you said, and I'm sure others have said this already, but the result was a non-smokable goop. I just redissolved mine and have it in the freezer now. It will probably end up as aya, even though it tastes particularly foul in this case.

I see no risk in doing an extraction, unless you go nuts and decide to recreate the Lye scene from fight club when it comes time to basing. ;P

lol

that scene was a bit exaggerated, to say the least. lye solution is much more caustic than
lye granules, because basicity is a function of dissociation, and that requires a polar solvent.