Recently I made 10x caapi using the boil method and wasn't so satisfied. Doesn't burn well at all and tastes pretty bad and harsh.
I was wondering if I can soak 10g of caapi leaf in 96% grain alcohol for a while and then evap it onto 1g dry caapi. I think it would be better and much less resinous.
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Yes, of course you can! Its the "traditional" method. I guess most 10x Caapi Changa is made this way , at least 2 Years ago. In Lak'ech - I am another yourself
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Awesome! How long would I need to soak it? 2 weeks?
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Why not just extract freebase Harmalas? It's easy, fun and yields a clean product that is nice to smoke. Lose Control, Free My Soul, Break Me Open, Make Me Whole."DMT kicked my balls off" - od3
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I definitely will when I have time, currently I don't have much time at my dispense though.
So if I can just soak something and leave it, it makes much more sense for me currently.
I'm only home on weekends every other weekend currently so leaving it 2 weeks works perfectly.
So is it 2 weeks that I need to leave it in the alcohol? Haha
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acapuchinu wrote:
So is it 2 weeks that I need to leave it in the alcohol? Haha
Yes, 2 weeks are enough. In Lak'ech - I am another yourself
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Ideally you want an alcoholic solution with a higher percentage of water, as harmalas are poorly soluble in IPA or etoh and quite soluble in water. Jorkest did comparisons years ago and found 60% alcohol solutions to greatly outperform 90+% for this type of approach. Wiki • Attitude • FAQThe Nexian • Nexus Research • The OHTIn New York, we wrote the legal number on our arms in marker...To call a lawyer if we were arrested. In Istanbul, People wrote their blood types on their arms. I hear in Egypt, They just write Their names. גם זה יעבור
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My personal way of doing it was to make the blend on a full moon, and wait a full moon cycle to evap. I also use 20 grams to 1 gram for a theoretical 20x blend. My last batch however I missed the full moon and decided just to wait until the second, so two months on one blend. Needless to say it works, and not to terribly harsh.
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SnozzleBerry wrote:Ideally you want an alcoholic solution with a higher percentage of water, as harmalas are poorly soluble in IPA or etoh and quite soluble in water. Jorkest did comparisons years ago and found 60% alcohol solutions to greatly outperform 90+% for this type of approach. That seems like some nice info! Thanks. אתה ישראלי?
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SnozzleBerry wrote:Ideally you want an alcoholic solution with a higher percentage of water, as harmalas are poorly soluble in IPA or etoh and quite soluble in water. Jorkest did comparisons years ago and found 60% alcohol solutions to greatly outperform 90+% for this type of approach. Yes,indeed.Nice info. Thank you ! I last batch was done with 99,9 etoh ... It was also good , but next time i will save me some alcohol for a better quality  In Lak'ech - I am another yourself
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Sorry to resurrect this thread, but I had some questions. I'm trying to see if I can do a caapi extract to administer sublingually before vaping DMT. Would a 60% alcohol extract work well for that? Or, if harmalas are poorly soluble in alcohol, why even bother with the alcohol? Couldn't I just steep caapi in distilled water for a few weeks, kind of like a cold brew coffee? Or would it just be better to do a harmala extraction and make a tincture? Let me know! Thanks In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.
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The alcohol acts as a preservative, so it has that clear advantage over distilled water where a prolonged soak would very possibly go mouldy or otherwise putrid. The suggestion of 60% alcohol is to compensate for the poor solubility of the alkaloids in ethanol. The extra water helps to keep them in solution. Snozzleberry wrote:Ideally you want an alcoholic solution with a higher percentage of water, as harmalas are poorly soluble in IPA or etoh and quite soluble in water. Jorkest did comparisons years ago and found 60% alcohol solutions to greatly outperform 90+% for this type of approach. Similarly, starway7 has reported highly satisfactory results by extracting rue seeds with export strength vodka (40% abv) and evaporating down to a resin. “There is a way of manipulating matter and energy so as to produce what modern scientists call 'a field of force'. The field acts on the observer and puts him in a privileged position vis-à-vis the universe. From this position he has access to the realities which are ordinarily hidden from us by time and space, matter and energy. This is what we call the Great Work." ― Jacques Bergier, quoting Fulcanelli
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Thanks! I have some caapi vine on the way, and I'll give it a go when it arrives. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.
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