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murklan
#1 Posted : 1/4/2022 5:18:07 PM

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In short. A change in experiences and DMT/Harmalas as a drug.

I've been doing harmalas + vaped DMT or enhanced leaf for around two years now. Usually it's about once a week but during summer it's way less. Perhaps some months in between.

I've found out that I now prefer ~200 mg of extracted rue orally about 2-3h before vaping the DMT. But I've also tried with dark roasted rue so that there are only harmine left. And dark roasted rue in combination with my harmine/harmaline extraction. Lately I've found that I like 50 mg dark roasted rue extract (mainly harmine) with 150mg harmine/harmaline extract.
It keeps me clearheaded (the harmine I believe) but still with an expanded consciousness, connecting with my emotions and a depth (that I think comes from harmaline).

The last months I've done the vaping through my Glass Bat Vapor Genie and a ethanol candle and I've found this really simple and remarkable smooth (I think the flame makes a lot of water vapors that makes it so). But I also have my suspicions regarding this method. More on that later.

Yesterday I took my 50 mg dark roasted rue + 150 mg harmine/harmaline extract orally. Made my home tidy (a real benefit of psychedelics even before taking them Smile ) and after 2,5h and some meditation and music I set of with vaping.

Lately, perhaps 3-4 months I don't get so colorful experiences. Really strong and deep but not the crazy DMT visuals. I can get transported into places of textures and ultra HD rooms but the core of the experience is something else. Not so visual. I've had more experiences of a kind of 'reality-switch' were my everyday surroundings and life are switched into something else. But not the DMT circus. Now I don't mind this since I sometime even think that the visuals are taking my attention away from something else, a kind of distraction that I don't know what do do with (but to experience and be awestruck by).

Anyhow. Yesterday was an example of how my visuals (CEV) are now. I see what looks like mud. slowly flowing in shades of brown, grey and green. Repeating textures that fill my entire field of vision. There might be ultra sharp points of lights in lines, like small LED's, but that was it.

I also felt like I was taking something else then DMT/harmalas. Like what I think heroin or a opiate would be, strong euphoria but a drugged feeling. Re-dosing the DMT 4 times (around 20 mg each) during 3 h lead to similar highs.

In between the strong highs my mind were glowing and I felt what I really like with harmaline/DMT, my mind in a free state, connecting deep emotions and given perspectives on my life and people around me. I also went into a dark phase when the whole room were in deep red light and the shadows came closer... but I felt no fear.

So. I wonder a few things. Those of you who often are vaping DMT with harmalas have your experiences changed over time? I guess the brain gets used to it somehow even if there are no tolerance buildup. Do you think it can be connected to my use of a ethanol candle, perhaps inhaling Carbon monoxide that can effect the experience? I can get a really blurry vision (and no fractals) just before closing my eyes when diving into the DMT.

And in general. Where does the light and strong colors come from? They are associated with psychedelics and visions and I would say that they are in general sought after. But I mean I like mud and soil, rocks and moss. That is also a big part life, not only neon rainbows and crystal lights Pleased
 

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Voidmatrix
#2 Posted : 1/4/2022 6:41:47 PM

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Great questions!

I experience similarly and have attributed it to my journey over time with DMT. The more you do it, the weirder it gets.

I have the "mud" experience with very minimal visuals, but will still be highly somatic and mind opening. I also have the world overlay where some DMT space is superimposed ontop of my normal reality and vision, typically of my room because that's where I journey the most.

I have found that after longer breaks from the molecule my visuals will become more vibrant and intense. But this isn't consistent, because I can have a muddy experience one time and a week later have one that is a great deal more visual.

I feel like a lot of it is our consciousness being able to bleed into other types of experiences provided by this molecule.

None of this do I mind either. It's just part of navigation. And it keeps the experience fresh: you never know what you're going to get. It never gets old.

Also, when my visuals are on point the spaces I'm in have darker backgrounds than.

Have you attempted journeying without the harmala component recently?

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murklan
#3 Posted : 1/5/2022 10:54:12 AM

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Voidmatrix wrote:
Great questions!

I experience similarly and have attributed it to my journey over time with DMT. The more you do it, the weirder it gets.

I have the "mud" experience with very minimal visuals, but will still be highly somatic and mind opening. I also have the world overlay where some DMT space is superimposed ontop of my normal reality and vision, typically of my room because that's where I journey the most.


Thanks for the reply!
Yes it seems like one can have strong experiences without pronounced visuals (think of 5-MeO-DMT). I also recognize the overlay, especially later when I've taken more harmine. It's one thing with the golden veils, webs and strings, but another when a separate reality is superimposed.

Voidmatrix wrote:
I have found that after longer breaks from the molecule my visuals will become more vibrant and intense. But this isn't consistent, because I can have a muddy experience one time and a week later have one that is a great deal more visual.

I feel like a lot of it is our consciousness being able to bleed into other types of experiences provided by this molecule.

None of this do I mind either. It's just part of navigation. And it keeps the experience fresh: you never know what you're going to get. It never gets old.

Also, when my visuals are on point the spaces I'm in have darker backgrounds than.


The lights effects the experience quite a bit I think. I choose warm, red orange colors in my space.

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Have you attempted journeying without the harmala component recently?

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No that was a long time ago. What do you think this can do?
 
Voidmatrix
#4 Posted : 1/7/2022 12:56:19 AM

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I have purple lights more often than not. I love it.

So I ask if you have tried the spice without harmalas because of a couple of experiences that I've had. Several months ago, my experiences were muddy or more earthy in color. About a week after a "muddy" trip, I decided I wanted to hop in the rocket and just used freebase alone. My visuals were "back to normal," in that experience. Very vibrant, entity interaction, etc. The same has happened a few other times when I decided to go to just freebase after mainly smoalking changa.

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murklan
#5 Posted : 1/7/2022 10:30:44 AM

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Voidmatrix wrote:
I have purple lights more often than not. I love it.

So I ask if you have tried the spice without harmalas because of a couple of experiences that I've had. Several months ago, my experiences were muddy or more earthy in color. About a week after a "muddy" trip, I decided I wanted to hop in the rocket and just used freebase alone. My visuals were "back to normal," in that experience. Very vibrant, entity interaction, etc. The same has happened a few other times when I decided to go to just freebase after mainly smoalking changa.

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Interesting about colors in the room. I think I mainly use warm red colors because I do my journeys in the evening/night and that is the lights I choose for my evenings. But I'll try to change the colors and see how it effects me.

Yes, good suggestion! I remember that I've had quite different experiences when changing the preparation (like going from oral harmalas + vaped dmt to changa). I'll get back to this thread.
 
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#6 Posted : 1/7/2022 3:32:30 PM

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I've seen earthy colored flowing mud. Very organic trip almost like living moving earth. I think that my first year smoking this stuff I saw just about every goddamn weird impossible thing.
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Voidmatrix
#7 Posted : 1/7/2022 10:47:09 PM

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Murklan wrote:
Interesting about colors in the room. I think I mainly use warm red colors because I do my journeys in the evening/night and that is the lights I choose for my evenings. But I'll try to change the colors and see how it effects me.

Yes, good suggestion! I remember that I've had quite different experiences when changing the preparation (like going from oral harmalas + vaped dmt to changa). I'll get back to this thread.


I have two led light strips, each equipped with a microphone. The available colors are red, green, blue, white, orange, yellow, cyan, and purple. They have four color fade options, as well as 4 microphone options where the sound in the surroundings augments the lights causing various kinds of fluctuations. The purple light is the most soothing for me.

It's interesting how small changes have big ramifications Very happy

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#8 Posted : 1/17/2022 1:47:00 PM

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DMT experiences changes all the time its our nature 😉😂. Love the experience and journey you described. Very intense huh?
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