I agree. Concentrated Caapi changa is truly amazing, but IMO not a replacement for a good brew+ceremony - the brew is more of a physical and emotional experience as well as a mentally expanding one.

sorry for SWIM being such a newb, but is SWIM freebasing with sodium carbonate? or is this stage doing something different, not freebasing the dmt? does SWIM need to add a different stage to those SWIM previously mentioned?

the leaves have mostly THH if I am correct?? I dont use leaves, but think I will order some. I do use a 10x cappi extract though, plus a bit of harmalas from rue that I salt out..evap it with the spice onto some peppermint leaf, but I now have mullein as well so I think I will try that..

It does really make a diff for me.. I end up having a peak for maybe 10 mins tops, but the after effects feel alot like aya or mushrooms and last for the next 45 mins to an hour..I like this may more than just blasting off for like 2 minutes and then comming back..I can actually feel like I drank aya. Plus I think that you can space hits apart more this way, because of the MAOI's, and you dont buld tolerancy..so it's like aya in that respect, for me anyway.

I usually base by covering sticky acetate with sodium carbonate, mixing thoroughly, wet slightly to make a paste, then leave to dry naturally. Then extract using your solvent.

I think the leaves vary in content. I'm not sure if it's the THH but there's definately something doing something.

Yes thats the way to go .. use IPA or acetone as the solvent. Mix it around and leave it for a bit then decant the solvent off, repeat 2 more times, collect all solvent, filter, and evap.

Thats basically what I have done for a full alkaloid mix (jungle and regular, plus the oxide)..except I do 2 defatts before hand on the dry, powdered bark with naptha..I always get a much cleaner end product that way..I know that some here think that dry defats with naptha dont work, but they do for me..its not pulling DMT salts..and the naptha takes on lots of colour, so it must work to some degree..not as good as other teks though, but I would only use this if I want the full spectrum.

thanks for all input, to clarify, SWIM will:

use fractals method of basing, then repeat twice (SWIM was quite lax at this stage)

use b. caapi as the herb to evap onto instead of pau d'acro


do you think SWIMs source of powdered bark might be a bit poor as well, would that make a difference?

..I have never used powdered bark..I always sit and grind it up myself because I thought that if prepowdered it might have more oxides in it..but I could be wrong..i think most people use powdered stuff. I have never had bark I was unsatisfied with though..

Swim has sat in many traditional ceremonies.. and to be honest this beats the hell out them as well as just vaping spice...
its its own unique thing...

there is mostly harmine in the leaf as well as some THH. Hawaiian leaf is the strongest, it has richer soil to grow from.
you can add caapi vine to it... but finding a strain that is lower in harmaline is ideal, less stoning with more clarity. the Celio is where it is at for that purpose.
the THH and harmine goes straight to the head and inhibits enzymes there from breaking it down. you can prolong a steady platue for over 2 hours with proper timing in smoking intervals as well as a high concentration of harmine and THH in the concentrated leaf. this is really the ideal.
Swim feels that it is essential to work with the enhanced 10x caapi, pau d'arco really lends no psychopharmacological advantage at all out side of it being pleasant and some spiritual effects in healing. but might as well just add that to the caapi and be done. its the same in Oz when they use other plant additives there is an entire spiritual herbalism focused just on smoking blends with this stuff comparable to traditional amazonian vegetalismo. which is what is so damn impressive about it.

it is amazing...

Pau Darco is more something that has to be enjoyed by itself, no real point adding it to caapi as it's also great by itself.

wheres the best place to buy enhanced 10x caapi to evap onto? anywhere in the UK?

You don't buy it, you make it.

you can buy it... up to 200x. I just don't know a UK vendor.

http://www.ethnobotanica...anisteriopsis-caapi.html

Buy a legnth or weight of some good Caapi
Mash it
Shred it
Put it into a pot with some vinegar
Boil for 5 hours on a light simmer
Pour off water
Boil again for 5 hours with just water
filter and combine
Boil down, very slowly, until almost all water is gone. Let sit, maybe with very low heat if needed until all water evaps.
Weight your final powder

#x=original weight of caapi (in grams)/amount of powder left over after boiling off water (in grams). You can adjust this by adding very fine Caapi powder.

That's just a simple water extraction that leaves the harmalas in the acetate salt. You could of course freebase them with any soluable base.

Other extractions may be more efficient or quicker.

I have used that tek above..but the last 2 I have used were 99% iso extractions to see if it really creates inactive "harmala reds"...my extract wasn't red, maybe slighty orangy yellow, but it still works..does anyone know if those harmala reds are really any different/inactive?? Or has iteven been shown to form in an iso extraction?

Read through this thread about FV.
Link in post#9


WS

(EDIT: Oh shit, I don't think they ship to the UK...sorry )

As I recall, FV does ship to a few places outside of the US. You should check their website to see if your country is listed. The last time I looked I saw Canada and Mexico was added.

that 200x extract is vine not leaf extract... very differnt and super high in Harmaline. leaf has harmine and THH in it with out much if at all harmaline.

Really? Almost ever report I have read on the alkaloid profile of different type of Caapi have either no or extremly little harmaline in them. My understanding was that the entire plant's alkaloid makeup was dominated by THH and Harmine with extremely small amounts of other hamlaloids.

That's the other main thing (besides containing THH) that makes Caapi so different from rue, the absence of harmaline.

Not wanting to turn this into a debate, but could you site a reference for high harmaline content in Caapi?