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Also my #1, I've done it countless times over the years... my feelings about it are very similar to you.

But it's so cheap anyways, no way would I give up having access to DMT just to have it for free.

The question is sort of tongue in cheek. Say, if there is a state, a feeling, a state where your visuals are enhanced, a place you been in hyperspace where you would like to reside in forever.

You mention cognitive effects as if they are all there is to LSD. But surely there's more, the evening stars look like beautiful black wax. You feel like a million bucks youre speech is heartfelt and pure. Maybe our society is more focused on the cognitive aspect.

But I think there's a schism between the psychedelic state after taken LSD and the sober state. When we sleep for example and wake up we lose the magic. Let's just say the question is what if you don't lose the magic. And you don't fall asleep. ???

Haha, I don't know how much more I can expand! If this is not a understandable or good question then I think it's best to just let it be. Hahaha



I don't know how u experience LSD folks. So I'm not sure how that works for you maybe you can give us a description if you feel like or have the time. Bit off-topic but could be a nice swirl

I can't sleep on acid that's a given. On a high enough dose I can't do anything because I get a little bit dizzy and slurry and things don't make sense and I just need to lie down for a couple hours. And go with the visual firework.

Well, acid used to be fun. But I haven't taken acid in 2 years partly because every time I dropped (maybe it had to do a bit with depression) it hits my extremely hard. Even at 95uG's I'd be screaming I think it has to do with the one time I took 1.5mg and hit me very hard. Somehow the universe gets very serious with me when I take acid. And it's just the strongest thing I have found. The contrast of the beautiful heavenly realms I have seen and the hellish reality I found myself currently made it very difficult to stay sane. On top of that it's like different entities channel their advise through me. It's al very weird.

Well I can try and put it this way. I would absolutely want to live in the wisdom of LSD forever. I would want to feel the patterns behind all things, know which way the high road lies, and never forget the beauty of life. But i would not want my vision to continuously be distorted so that i couldn't read books, or the sensitivity of mind that takes a rough moment and turns it into a nightmare, or the total inability to communicate with people who are not on my thought frequency.

That seems to be the general outcome from all the people who have replied thus far. Some want the beauty but they don't want the horror.

I have strangely not tried to read books but facebook is doable for me at the beginning of a trip of in lower dose.

Your 2 negatives you mention: Sensitivity of mind i.e. nightmares and Inability to communicate with people.
I can flip them around for you.

A strong enough mind who knows the beauty of life intrinsically and remembers it when put in the face of a nightmareish moment, may be capable of flipping it around. Forcing the situation to become favorable. And likewise be completely dominant with people who are on a lower thought frequency and lift them up to ur own higher thought forms. All with no pain or stress. Just higher knowledge. Or is this complete bs for you guys. I'm talking from the insight gained from psychedelics

LSD that lasts forever would turn any strong mind into a weak mind over time.
And i'm talking from 'insight gained from psychedelics' as well.

I would also say that many of the overlapping qualities that the classical psychedelics have ime have definitely seeped over into my daily waking life, so I guess in some ways I have a partial permanence of effects or w/e you want to call it lol. Nothing too distracting though. Also the mental outlook and daily presence of my subjective experience - that's changed a considerable amount for me and might be the strongest instance that's carried over into my life. DMT's played a big big role as well.

I think the only insight you can gain is on ur egoic perspective. There's no place for you to say that ANY mind will be weakened by it.

Could be that I'm not in the right state of mind to reply atm

@tatt,
I guess it is quite common to have partial permanent effects. I've had one instance from one time use of mescaline that I feel permanently changed my visual acuity ever so slightly from just one go. It's no suprise to me that these effects are present in most.

As for mental outlook:
I had one mental moment on DMT that stayed with me that happened before my big lsd experience. Where I felt like I looked outside and saw the planet and I felt an indescribable feeling. I could describe it as lust, agressiveness, playfulness all at once. And a particular thought: "This is MY playground"

Which is soo out of the normal for me. But may tie in in an ancient shroom experience i had. I'm normally quite mundane. And I just find that the godly feeling brought upon by dmt is quickly dissappated by the small fears and the social fears and the afterglow of DMT slowly but surely in the span of a few hours disappears.

So that's what I really think happens with a lot of psychedelic useage. It lifst you up and the daily fears of life mold and shrink the brain into it's regular form.

Ofcourse, I can only speak about it's effects for me. This is how it affects me personally.

So hence the general question what stops people from staying up there

Thanks for the replies all
Sorry for senseless banter

No I totally get that and I have given thought to it. But you know how protected we are when we emphasize set and setting. It allows us to deal with one negative thought at a time by minimizing variables. Could we manage to pay a mortgage/rent, afford food, and all those practicalities if the inevitable stressors of the variable world keep stimulating a spiritual battle? It's not like most of us have that ability to flip things on and off at will. We work at it for years and years and get better, but progress is an asymptote. There's no ultimate perfection and the slightest deviation being amplified would be horrific to basic functionality. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe there are people who live at these upper thought forms with enough control or at least enough dedication to make this worthwhile. I can only speak for myself. In those moments I certainly wish life could be like that forever. But every now and then I get a true glimpse of how much more work I have to do. And unless someone wanted to pay my way through life I don't think I could physically survive while doing work that deep. Plus at some point it's worthwhile to be human, embrace your natural ways, and not be tapped in that deep to the currents.

I will admit though. If there's anything I regret it's certainly not tripping enough as opposed to tripping more

LSD and other such psychedelics, like mescaline and DMT, shut down the brains internal correction mechanism.
As someone said in another thread: we are all hallucinating, all of the time. The brain is producing it's own movie, wich is the reality we experience.
The brain has internal correction mechanisms in place, to 'guide' these hallucinations, and make them fit the sensory input, the brain receives.

What happens if these correction mechanisms are absent for too long, is that you start drifting away from 'normal' reality. Making it harder to function normally.

People who suffer from depressive disorders, or obsessive compulsive disorders, all tend to have lowered serotonergic activity. Medication that restores normal levels of serotonin in the blood, tends to be very effective against such disorders.

Apparently, when serotonergic activity is too low, for too long, it starts to become a real problem, because people can no longer adapt to the 'consensus-reality world' around them.

The mind is a fluid kind of thing. It's not fixed. The toughest, most disciplined guys the military has, turn into pitty alcoholic cry-babies when they're being exposed to the horrors of war.

So yes, maybe it's not up to me to tell you that ANY mind will be weakened by it.
As it is not up to me, to tell you that you're not invulnerable.

Anyone who thinks that he IS invulnerable is free to put that hypothesis to the test.

I think that novel ways of looking at things come about from changing one's perception of reality. If you were to be permanently tripping i think that the beneficial modulating effect on perspective that can lead to new ideas would be lost.
I don't trip, or even get stoned, that often nowadays. But when i do i really enjoy it. It becomes more of a special event for me.

I would do it if I could turn it on and off at will to whatever level of lsd trip i want, all the way from +1 - +4

Enjoy ur comments all

I'm not saying I have the strength of mind to live up to what I describe. There may have been and still are alchemists immortals roaming the earth, I don't know! But in this day and age I think it has been reduced this sort of stuff. I think what the world needs at this point is loads of little messiahs/jesuses to come out. And each carry a little weight. So the burden is lessened somewhat. |If someone went on to carry all the burden of humanity alone you would quickly become insane. Even jesus had a hard time he was murdered.

Anyway had a dream about Hug46 I wrote down. It involved a past dmt experience and he carved a little red smile in a totem pole and someone else put a black smile related to his own experience on the other side of the totem. It was supposed to be some kind of bat. A smile non-theless. Very positive dream.

But sidetracking. So g2g



sounds pretty cool

I heard somewhere that dreams were the sorting and cataloguing of the days events by the subconscious. I don't know how true that statement is but if you had a positive dream with me in it, it warms the cockles of my heart. But no messiahs please...

It's just a word. The burden of handling responsibility of existence itself. I can't find much other words for it, but i will try.

8===D

I make similar observations. Describing LSD experiences is like having a dream in a dream. It's ephermal and psychedelics aren't ideal to learn something useful. Especially LSD. Most experiences are so confusing that it's hard to find any meaningful information. I do find that it changes something. While in day to day life it's MOSTLy unnoticeable. I do get hints of psychosis and paranoia sometimes. Every single feeling I had on LSD comes back when I take it. How can it not change you. Every memory and experience you have changes you somehow. It all adds up somewhere.

But i'm not even talking about cognitive effects. What interests me about LSD is the way it dissolves reality and spawns dreamlike realities. That seem to be real at the time. Also how it unhinges barriers in mental thinking. How it helps you utilize fantasy/imagination to the best of it's abilities. That I think is the part where you can make progress in even when not on LSD. But it shows you the limits of ur mind. I agree what you do with it is eventually up to you.

Btw, everyone seems to be subject to a certain kind of mental unstability. It seems to be inherent in human nature. Demonstrated by the fact that nearly everyone has psychotic thoughts after taking LSD. I agree it's a danger and it's unhealthy. And it shoulden't happen not even when on LSD. Practicing stability might be useful for anyone here

Self realization isn't so much about "thinking" clearly. Quite the opposite in fact. How could a reality with such an exuberant plurality of descriptions and perspectives be effectively collapsed to the linear world of formalisms such as language? Rather, contact with the self must be made directly through experience. It took me a lot more than 3 trips to get something meaningful out of it. Sure those first three trips felt profound in those moments, but without any cultural framework it's hard to know what to make out of it. Psychedelics kept me entertained for a while, but they didn't really start becoming profound until I started engaging Ayahuasca ceremonies which finally came with some sort of cultural context I could relate back to in daily life. The process is clear to me however. Not quite easy to describe, but I can say that it is with me every day, has less to do with thinking than with feeling, and that I am without question better off for it. Keep in mind my last Ayahuasca trip was 4 years ago and I have only sporadically taken psychedelics since. Like less than once every six months. So i understand where you're coming from, but that your initiation with psychedelics wasn't life altering is hardly shocking. You've merely stepped through the door, not sailed the seas. Of course that's a perfectly respectable decision.

I'm really curios how those Aya ceremonies go for you. If there is a upload of it I would like to read it. I'm glad you have found healing. I haven't started on a first Ayahuasca ceremony myself.

I'd like to be initiated into that. Comes to mind that it might be good to have a teacher with you who knows how it goes. Otherwise ime taking psychedelics without guidance is a lot like throwing your head into wild waters trying to catch a shark. Especially when it comes to synthetics. The natural ones such as mushrooms I find offer more in the sense of guidance and direction.. (Tuesday's gone, wonder if u have tried naturals)