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#1 Posted : 11/17/2016 7:32:04 PM

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#2 Posted : 11/17/2016 7:42:00 PM
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#5 Posted : 11/21/2016 10:55:51 AM

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#6 Posted : 11/21/2016 12:12:47 PM

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Laughing lol whats going on? A bird thread is wonderful.Love Alright we will try come to the chat moar often with good moarning songs....
 
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Laughing lol whats going on? A bird thread is wonderful.Love Alright we will try come to the chat moar often with good moarning songs....


Yay! Big grin

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#8 Posted : 11/22/2016 2:28:19 PM
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I appreciate you coming back into chat today Intezam, good bird talk.

Now you got me reading up on how to attract and befriend crows. Laughing Though it's very fascinating, more than I realized tbh.

I think i'm going to start posting articles and reading material related. Always thought you were an interesting character and have alot to say.

Going to go grab shelled unsalted peanuts [crow crack Laughing ] later today from the store and a few other things. Crow city here.

[Really, dog food huh?] Big grin
 
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#9 Posted : 11/22/2016 2:41:41 PM
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That article you had linked about the little girl in Seattle receiving gifts from the local crows she befriended is a very interesting story.

Here's another alternate article, with a bit of deeper information regarding crow gift giving from John Marzluff, a crow expert/author and professor of wildlife science at Washington University.

The Secrets of Gift Giving Crows

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“If you want to form a bond with a crow, be consistent in rewarding them,” advises John Marzluff, professor of wildlife science at the University of Washington. He specialises in birds, particularly crows and ravens…

Marzluff, and his colleague Mark Miller, did a study of crows and the people who feed them. They found that crows and people form a very personal relationship. “There’s definitely a two-way communication going on there,” Marzluff says. “They understand each other’s signals.”

The birds communicate by how they fly, how close they walk, and where they sit. The human learns their language and the crows learn their feeder’s patterns and posture. They start to know and trust each other. Sometimes a crow leaves a gift.

But crow gifts are not guaranteed. “I can’t say they always will (give presents),” Marzluff admits, having never received any gifts personally, “but I have seen an awful lot of things crows have brought people.”


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Next, I phoned “my” expert, Kevin McGowan at Cornell. He has never seen this kind of “gift giving” behavior among his study crows on the East Coast. Though he says that crows cache food, and young crows play with objects and cache things that aren’t exactly food, like acorn caps.

I wondered if West Coast crows different than East Coast crows. And Dr. McGowan said there are differences in their social structure.

I know that crows certainly seem to display “cultural” differences between populations. And Marzluff and others have written at length about how amazing these birds are. They score as high as primates in some intelligence tests. They fashion and use tools.

Crows in captivity will figure out how to fill a cup with water to moisten their food, or bend wire into a hook to lift a tiny bucket. In the wild they’ll bring dry bread to a birdbath to soak and soften it. They may stack scattered crackers into a pile so they can carry the whole pile away. And in Japan, they place walnuts in front of stopped cars in an intersection and wait for the cars to go forward and crush the nuts. Then they swoop in and safely retrieve the nut meats.
 
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I love crows, they have such intelligent eyes. There is a gigantic population of crows where I live, and I've been reading up for a while on forming a bond with them... A few times I gave them food, they quickly picked up on the fact that I was intentionally giving them something, and started following me around in a flock. It was awesome. Very happy
Some other times they completely ignored the pieces of food I left out for them - I wouldn't rule it out that they were afraid of it being poisoned.
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#12 Posted : 11/23/2016 2:38:54 AM
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PsyDuckmonkey wrote:
I love crows, they have such intelligent eyes. There is a gigantic population of crows where I live, and I've been reading up for a while on forming a bond with them... A few times I gave them food, they quickly picked up on the fact that I was intentionally giving them something, and started following me around in a flock. It was awesome. Very happy Some other times they completely ignored the pieces of food I left out for them - I wouldn't rule it out that they were afraid of it being poisoned.


I went over to the field next door today, didn't see many, they're pretty sporadic here. Layed some shelled peanuts over in the field, so hopefully they spot them and get to grab a few before other animals come. I also layed a bunch on the side of my property facing the field/woods. Now it's a waiting game. They'll come. I see them often. Funny I see them mostly when i'm leaving to go somewhere and driving off. Razz

Also, there's a squirrel that got hit by a car today, right next to my house on the side road that is up against the field. They'll be out there soon enough i'd imagine.




They play; this video of a crow surfing on a snowy roof in Russia. Smile





They'll even feed other animals, as this pet crow does with his dog and cat pals.






 
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#13 Posted : 11/23/2016 2:02:55 PM
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Well, this morning I walked outside, very cold here, in the 20s. I go to walk to the side of the property and sure enough the peanuts are gone. Big grin

So I go in to grab more, come back out and there's 3 big crows sitting up on this tree branch over across in the field, clearly watching what i'm doing [lool]. So I go to throw a few down, spread out. I come back inside, go to check my phone, and I go to look out the window to see two crows on the side of the property, strutting around, cawing, grabbing the peanuts. There were 3 in the yard at one point hahah.

It impresses me that after only one day of having these out there theat they were able to recognize, come over and start grabbing them.

You were right Intezam, once you form that bond it's a done deal. Laughing

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#14 Posted : 11/23/2016 3:01:19 PM

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In the cities they seem to know that peanut is something the non-bird-two-leggeds give the caged parrot-bird-ppl so they call it parrot(cry)-krrrrrrrgh-uuuuhhrrrrr (love-gifts)

 
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#15 Posted : 11/23/2016 5:14:43 PM
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In the cities they seem to know that peanut is something the non-bird-two-leggeds give the caged parrot-bird-ppl so they call it parrot(cry)-krrrrrrrgh-uuuuhhrrrrr (love-gifts)



Wow, that's crazy ..that separate sound they do, that krrrrrgh uuuuhrrr [that videos pretty cool!].

Funny you say 'love-gifts', that 'krrrrgh uuuuhrr' sounds akin to when a cat makes a mrreow, or short sputtered puurrs, a sort of affecionate sounding vocalization.

Very cool, thanks for the video. Smile
 
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#16 Posted : 11/24/2016 3:29:08 AM
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The file attached is a short clip shortly after a few crows started coming around. This one got relatively close to the window, and at the end you can see it grabbing a couple of the peanuts. Big grin

Im slowly working them closer to the house. Eventually i'd like to get them up on the window sills and feed them. Thumbs up
 
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#17 Posted : 11/24/2016 8:19:51 AM

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Nice Tatt, it takes some time before they'd come to the window sill. Unless there is boiled egg-halfs with mayonnaise or some other treasure they'd rather avoid the human habitat trapdoors. They cannot easily perch on some window sills. Perhaps you could install a horizontal perching pole in front of a window, since you are ground floor? Whatever you build, he will think you are building a trap and that's what this is all about....he loikely wants you to install a classical bird feeder (general bird type) and put all the 'stuff' there (and walk away).
 
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#18 Posted : 11/24/2016 4:03:56 PM
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Nice Tatt, it takes some time before they'd come to the window sill. Unless there is boiled egg-halfs with mayonnaise or some other treasure they'd rather avoid the human habitat trapdoors. They cannot easily perch on some window sills. Perhaps you could install a horizontal perching pole in front of a window, since you are ground floor? Whatever you build, he will think you are building a trap and that's what this is all about....he loikely wants you to install a classical bird feeder (general bird type) and put all the 'stuff' there (and walk away).


Yeah, ground floor.

Yeah really there's not much of a sill to perch on, but part of the house is in brick, and the brick extends a bit past the window, so I would think that they might be able to fly up and land comfortably, right in line with the window.

I'll look into those perches, i'll just build one if need be.

Boiled eggs with mayonnaise? Haha what a treat Big grin
 
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