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#141 Posted : 8/7/2012 9:50:42 AM

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Hey whitebread420
That's some sort of Cereus, not what you are looking for, but an awesome cacti and a great addition to any garden imo.

Good luck finding the right cacti Smile

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#142 Posted : 10/17/2012 9:33:50 PM

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Anyone wanna help id these babies?
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#143 Posted : 10/18/2012 4:12:46 AM
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i think it looks like a pc t. pachanoi, and some type of peruvian dominate trichocereus
 
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#144 Posted : 3/4/2013 5:43:53 PM

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I was given this cactus as a gift years ago, but I'm not sure what it is? Any help would be appreicated.
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#145 Posted : 3/4/2013 8:10:41 PM

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It appears to be the Predominant Cultivar, quite likely a selection of pachanoi, although some people suspect it might be hybrid in origin.
it is what is common as San Pedro in the states

I've given out a lot of them in the past as gifts!
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#146 Posted : 3/4/2013 8:54:17 PM

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Cool, thank you!
 
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#147 Posted : 3/6/2013 4:12:45 AM

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Hey I have been growing this guy for a little while. Does this look to be the real pachanoi or the weak clone?
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#148 Posted : 3/6/2013 5:20:08 PM

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Kash wrote:
Hey I have been growing this guy for a little while. Does this look to be the real pachanoi or the weak clone?

Weak/common clone.

One thing that a lot of the real ones have are these lines above the areoles, they can be horizontal or V shaped, the common clone has some but they are not pronounced, the common clone has a profile that has a different look than the typical pedro. And the spines look very distinct, rather different than those of typical pachanoi.

Here is a good image to show you, the true pachanoi is on the left.
http://www.largelyaccura...com/pedro/pedro_015.html
http://www.largelyaccura...ionmedia.com/pedro/pimg/!!_015_pachanoi_pachanoi_tips.jpg

Compare:
The side profile of real pachanoi is far smoother and less wavy or bumpy
the V shaped or horizontal lines are present on real pachanoi at nearly every areole
the areoles of real pachanoi tend to be a bit small and the spines are different, often finer and having a different symmetry.

http://www.largelyaccura...ionmedia.com/pedro/pimg/!!_017_pachanoi_stemscompared_c.jpg
http://www.largelyaccura...ionmedia.com/pedro/pimg/!!_018_pachanoi_stemscompared_a.jpg

it might seem tricky at first, but it is really easy to tell them apart
however one riomizquensis clone that is halfway decent does look a lot like the pachanot and is hard to ID as different if you do not know what to look for, but it too has some distinct traits...
 
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#149 Posted : 3/6/2013 5:32:23 PM

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Great info there AlbertKLloyd

AlbertKLloyd wrote:
It appears to be the Predominant Cultivar, quite likely a selection of pachanoi, although some people suspect it might be hybrid in origin. it is what is common as San Pedro in the states


So it's a weak/common clone...

Have you heard of Predominant Cultivar's with high mesc levels?
 
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#150 Posted : 3/6/2013 6:32:07 PM

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cyantific wrote:

Have you heard of Predominant Cultivar's with high mesc levels?

No.

I have heard of variable recovery ranging from 0.1-0.6% dry, often 0.1-0.3% I have also heard of Zero recovery from it as well. (compare this with 1-2% dry for decent and real pachanoi)

It does not have a high recovery, though it is alkaloid rich and very bitter, the bitterness is not mescaline.

One plant that looks like it but is different (a form of riomizquensis) is decent.



 
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#151 Posted : 3/6/2013 11:35:53 PM

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Thanks albert appreciate the ID however disheartening. Gonna find some true pacanoi seeds since it seems impossible to get a cutting of one. This pach poser is going in some soup now! Rolling eyes

Now that you point out the smooth side profile compared to the bumpy I can see a very clear difference. Also with the small v's at each areoles. Great info. Thumbs up
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#152 Posted : 3/7/2013 12:38:14 AM

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I got this cacti about 8 years ago from BBB. This cutting came off the original mother. It was advertised as a T. Bridgesii, wondering if it is? Some of the spines were clipped.
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#153 Posted : 3/7/2013 12:53:05 AM
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yes sexy bridge there Smile
 
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#154 Posted : 3/7/2013 1:03:37 AM

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Cool, thanks dg.

Does anyone know the avg % of mesc in a real Pachanoi vs Bridgesii ?
 
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#155 Posted : 3/12/2013 6:21:46 PM

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cyantific wrote:
Cool, thanks dg.

Does anyone know the avg % of mesc in a real Pachanoi vs Bridgesii ?


Varies beyond derivable probabilities. Trouts notes list pachanoi's at in some rare cases, near 5% alkaloids. But all over the place in general. Bridgesii, imho, is almost the same, but consistently a bit more active, just because one cutting was not taken decades ago and propagated across the states (and worldwide) for ornamental/landscaping purposes. Its believed by many that that was a weak cut, and for all intents and purposes, bridgesii and "true", not commercial homeginzed weak genetic pachanoi, are not too different in potency.

A good read if you havent taken a look at it yet (trouts notes). Made me a bit more humble about how much i thought i knew about trichocerus cacti and the question of potency across species.
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#156 Posted : 3/24/2013 9:27:16 PM
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Today I bought this cristate cactus. I think it's beautiful. It looks like a trichocereus relative. I spent some time on google images to find a similar one, but still unsure which one it could be. From some pictures I saw it looked like a echinopsis cristate


Anyone here has an idea which species this could be?

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#157 Posted : 3/25/2013 8:17:14 PM
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Also in this topic it became clear to me that there is a common clone aka ' PC' which is a lesser active strain. According to AlbertKLloyd's explanation (which I think is very clear) the more potent original ones have V's above the spines and are less bumpy. I got some fat rooted pachanoi's which have a very distinct v above the spines and have a smooth rib. But on the top of the cactus the rib gets a little more bumpy. Based on the attached picture would you guys identify this pachanoi as one of the more potent ones or the ' PC' .

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#158 Posted : 3/25/2013 8:56:27 PM

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I bought this "t. bridgesii" seedling recently, does it look like bridgesii that you all have grown from seed or is it too young to tell?

 
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#159 Posted : 3/25/2013 9:08:06 PM

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too youn to tell but i would say it looks like a torch to my untrained eye..
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@a. lurker Although I'm no expert myself I think the same as shadowman-x. I had some peruvianus seedlings which looked a lot like yours. Also when I google for bridgesii seedlings they all seem to have longer spines even when they are that small
 
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