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#141 Posted : 10/29/2019 8:18:09 PM

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332211 wrote:
TL,DR Drugs are all illusion and a waste of time.


https://www.dmt-nexus.me...spx?g=posts&t=14485

These two threads combine very well. Honestly, think about it: Terrence McKenna was a smart guy, right? His strenghts are analytical and intellectual. DMT was the perfect drug for him. And he had a bad trip (not sure if he did stop mushrooms after that or not) but I guess he never lost the illusion that DMT is just mindfuck par excellance.

Is there anyone that never had a bad trip on DMT, less those people who just started doing it?
Everybody is hyperslapped sooner or later (yeah yeah, hard to prove, but just think about YOUR experience in this case). And the pit is BOTTOMLESS as NGC_2264 described.

Well guys, I just flushed my stash which was planned out to support me and my loved ones (glad I never turned them on... I guess one or two others might have had the idea to run up to Obama and tell him about "them" Razz) for several years. I am free of this and now and can go on with my life.

I guess in a certain way the Nexus did me a favour, although involuntarily.



I’d like to voice some words of support for your decision. It’s not an easy place to come to and you clearly have not arrived there in ignorance. I hope this doesn’t mean an end to your contribution to the nexus - balance is a good thing and if the nexus was to be filled with only cheerleaders it would be a worse place for it. Those with experience and knowledge always have something to contribute.

From my own perspective, in light of recent revelations (or rather remembering), I would certainly like to discuss some matters with the likes of yourself. To that end I was wondering if you could highlight posts of yours that you think are revealing as to why you have arrived where you are. In case it’s not apparent in your posts, I’d be very interested to hear what your spiritual/philosophical background was and what your position is now.

All the best
 

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#142 Posted : 10/30/2019 7:55:31 AM

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332211 wrote:
TL,DR Drugs are all illusion and a waste of time.


https://www.dmt-nexus.me...spx?g=posts&t=14485


but so is everything else too Smile
 
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#143 Posted : 11/7/2019 5:13:14 PM

I rather root my values in my own hallucinations than in society´s neurotic illusions..


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I just flushed my stash which was planned out to support me and my loved ones


Dont forget to flush out your stash that you collected in your body as well haha

And whatever you do, dont focus to much and do correct breathing because then maybe the DMT levels will go up automatically and it will be harder to stop thenPleased

Drugs are stupid.. But we are high on them 24/7 naturally (personally I use a lot of 5-hydroxitryptamine.. And I have a LOT of bad trips with that one.. prefer DMT all day in the week) .. so what to do haha
"Too cute to live, too cozy to die" - Eaglepath
 
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#144 Posted : 11/7/2019 9:35:24 PM

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I have a question. Will your soul be lost when you worship the devil, genuinely believing in all sincerity that it is god and that what you are worshipping is the essence of goodness, bliss, eternal love, etc?

I personally think that intentions, and the sincerity of intentions, matters.
 
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#145 Posted : 11/8/2019 2:24:08 AM

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dragonrider wrote:
I have a question. Will your soul be lost when you worship the devil, genuinely believing in all sincerity that it is god and that what you are worshipping is the essence of goodness, bliss, eternal love, etc?

I personally think that intentions, and the sincerity of intentions, matters.
What do you mean by “worship the devil”? Just taking a breakthrough dose of DMT doesn’t make one a worshiper – DMT is simply a key to the spirit world, astral plane, another dimension, inhabited by the entities. Going there is dangerous and potentially harmful, for sure, but it is not worshiping the devil in itself.

The danger of losing your soul comes not from taking psychedelics per se, but from not believing in God (or believing only in yourself), and thus not seeking God, not wanting to be with Him. Simplistically saying, the Judgment Day will be about one question: “Do you want to be with God?” If you say something along the lines: “God who? Heaven? Do they serve nice cocktails, give out free cigarettes and drugs, have hot girls/boys over there? No? Or, maybe, I can become rich and powerful in that Heaven of yours? No?? Well, then I have no intention to be with God and missing all of the things I got accustomed to. I prefer to live somewhere else, in hell, where the devil can provide everything I want”, then your soul is lost.

I am not talking here about the real satan worshipers, black mages etc. who know perfectly well where their power comes from, and willfully work for the devil in the hope to have a good life here and have a neat position in his kingdom after death.
I took the red pill.
 
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#146 Posted : 11/8/2019 10:53:15 AM

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AstraLex wrote:
dragonrider wrote:
I have a question. Will your soul be lost when you worship the devil, genuinely believing in all sincerity that it is god and that what you are worshipping is the essence of goodness, bliss, eternal love, etc?

I personally think that intentions, and the sincerity of intentions, matters.
What do you mean by “worship the devil”? Just taking a breakthrough dose of DMT doesn’t make one a worshiper – DMT is simply a key to the spirit world, astral plane, another dimension, inhabited by the entities. Going there is dangerous and potentially harmful, for sure, but it is not worshiping the devil in itself.

The danger of losing your soul comes not from taking psychedelics per se, but from not believing in God (or believing only in yourself), and thus not seeking God, not wanting to be with Him. Simplistically saying, the Judgment Day will be about one question: “Do you want to be with God?” If you say something along the lines: “God who? Heaven? Do they serve nice cocktails, give out free cigarettes and drugs, have hot girls/boys over there? No? Or, maybe, I can become rich and powerful in that Heaven of yours? No?? Well, then I have no intention to be with God and missing all of the things I got accustomed to. I prefer to live somewhere else, in hell, where the devil can provide everything I want”, then your soul is lost.

I am not talking here about the real satan worshipers, black mages etc. who know perfectly well where their power comes from, and willfully work for the devil in the hope to have a good life here and have a neat position in his kingdom after death.

I am referring to the OP. Interacting with entities who are not what they seem.

So worst case scenario: christianity is right and this is occultism. So this is bad then.

But what if you sincerely believed that it wasn't bad? What if you believed that it was actually good? That it wasn't occultism? What if you believed that the entities where actually angels? Not fallen angels, but the good ones?

Wouldn't that mean that your soul was still saved, assuming ofcourse, that the entities did not make you do bad things like killing or stealing?
 
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#147 Posted : 11/8/2019 10:51:36 PM

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dragonrider wrote:
I am referring to the OP. Interacting with entities who are not what they seem.
This quite natural: in our physical world criminals and psychopaths are usually trying to cover up their deeds and pretend to be all good, otherwise it would be difficult for them to commit their crimes. The so called entities, the servants of the devil really, are putting up a mask too, otherwise nobody will come to them willingly and listen to them.

dragonrider wrote:
So worst case scenario: christianity is right and this is occultism. So this is bad then.
Christianity is not saying that occultism is bad because it wants to forbid something the people like. No. Christianity simply puts up a warning sign: communing with the devil and his servants will be, in the long run, damaging to your mental health (soul) and will negatively affect your life, and the lives of people all around you. You can compare it to doing hard drugs (alcohol, mdma etc.): it can be fun, and even beneficial, to sometimes “turn on, tune in, drop out” in order to alleviate the stress of your daily routine, but getting addicted to drugs, having your whole life revolving around them, will do you more harm than good. As apostle Paul has put it: ““All things are lawful for me,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful for me,” but I will not be enslaved by anything.”(1 Corinthians 6).

dragonrider wrote:
But what if you sincerely believed that it wasn't bad? What if you believed that it was actually good? That it wasn't occultism? What if you believed that the entities where actually angels? Not fallen angels, but the good ones?
At some point they will drop their facade. It will become evident, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that the entities are demons, devoid of any form of love and compassion. From this point onward, you will no longer have the “I didn’t know!” excuse. If you are lucky, you can just run away, destroy your DMT stash, and never think about it again. But, if you have gone too deep… you will either continue your work with them, unmasked, or suffer a torment you can’t even imagine now. It is not like God wants to forbid your occult practice, but He cares for you and doesn’t want you to become a devil’s slave or a mental wrack, and thus warns you, through this forum thread.

dragonrider wrote:
Wouldn't that mean that your soul was still saved, assuming ofcourse, that the entities did not make you do bad things like killing or stealing?
Usually, the entities influence, at least in the beginning, is not as blatant as to give you an outright “go on a killing spree” command. They will try to instill fear or hatred towards something (the government, the capitalists, illuminaty, masons, Muslim, women or any other group of people), or they will try to inflate your pride with the feeling of superiority (you know the secrets of the universe, while all those mindless bio-robots all around you are clueless zombies), or they will capture your imagination and/or dreams, letting you live in your own reality bubble, effectively severing the connection to other people. There are many subtle ways in which the entities will get you into their orbit. They can even teach you apparently beneficial things like changing your diet, in order to win your trust and let you always follow their advice (a command, gradually more destructive, in the later stages).

Miraculously, it is at those darkest hours, when all hope seems to be lost and devil has you in full control, one can turn his eyes to Jesus Christ, and be saved: “When Jesus heard it, He said unto them, “They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”” (Mark 2). So, I tell all others in despair, like the OP: Jesus Christ saved me from this demonic oppression, which I had inflicted upon myself through my shamanistic/occult practices, and He will save you too. Just call His name, and He will help you immediately, no matter how deep you are in hell.
I took the red pill.
 
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#148 Posted : 11/9/2019 4:08:24 AM

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Relax. There's no Devil. There's just synapses firing off willy nilly. Break free from your Grand Mammy's Superstitions. It feels good when you do, and you can stop looking for demons in drawers. The whole bi-polar worldview will end up being (God Willing) a minor vestigial artifact, like an appendix.

When I took up psychedelics again, after a very long break I would see demons in my mescaline CEV's. After about a year of clearing the draintraps of my mind I stopped seeing them. I never thought they were real, but I did wonder why I was seeing them.
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#149 Posted : 11/9/2019 9:26:03 AM

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AstraLex wrote:
dragonrider wrote:
I am referring to the OP. Interacting with entities who are not what they seem.
This quite natural: in our physical world criminals and psychopaths are usually trying to cover up their deeds and pretend to be all good, otherwise it would be difficult for them to commit their crimes. The so called entities, the servants of the devil really, are putting up a mask too, otherwise nobody will come to them willingly and listen to them.

dragonrider wrote:
So worst case scenario: christianity is right and this is occultism. So this is bad then.
Christianity is not saying that occultism is bad because it wants to forbid something the people like. No. Christianity simply puts up a warning sign: communing with the devil and his servants will be, in the long run, damaging to your mental health (soul) and will negatively affect your life, and the lives of people all around you. You can compare it to doing hard drugs (alcohol, mdma etc.): it can be fun, and even beneficial, to sometimes “turn on, tune in, drop out” in order to alleviate the stress of your daily routine, but getting addicted to drugs, having your whole life revolving around them, will do you more harm than good. As apostle Paul has put it: ““All things are lawful for me,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful for me,” but I will not be enslaved by anything.”(1 Corinthians 6).

dragonrider wrote:
But what if you sincerely believed that it wasn't bad? What if you believed that it was actually good? That it wasn't occultism? What if you believed that the entities where actually angels? Not fallen angels, but the good ones?
At some point they will drop their facade. It will become evident, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that the entities are demons, devoid of any form of love and compassion. From this point onward, you will no longer have the “I didn’t know!” excuse. If you are lucky, you can just run away, destroy your DMT stash, and never think about it again. But, if you have gone too deep… you will either continue your work with them, unmasked, or suffer a torment you can’t even imagine now. It is not like God wants to forbid your occult practice, but He cares for you and doesn’t want you to become a devil’s slave or a mental wrack, and thus warns you, through this forum thread.

dragonrider wrote:
Wouldn't that mean that your soul was still saved, assuming ofcourse, that the entities did not make you do bad things like killing or stealing?
Usually, the entities influence, at least in the beginning, is not as blatant as to give you an outright “go on a killing spree” command. They will try to instill fear or hatred towards something (the government, the capitalists, illuminaty, masons, Muslim, women or any other group of people), or they will try to inflate your pride with the feeling of superiority (you know the secrets of the universe, while all those mindless bio-robots all around you are clueless zombies), or they will capture your imagination and/or dreams, letting you live in your own reality bubble, effectively severing the connection to other people. There are many subtle ways in which the entities will get you into their orbit. They can even teach you apparently beneficial things like changing your diet, in order to win your trust and let you always follow their advice (a command, gradually more destructive, in the later stages).

Miraculously, it is at those darkest hours, when all hope seems to be lost and devil has you in full control, one can turn his eyes to Jesus Christ, and be saved: “When Jesus heard it, He said unto them, “They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”” (Mark 2). So, I tell all others in despair, like the OP: Jesus Christ saved me from this demonic oppression, which I had inflicted upon myself through my shamanistic/occult practices, and He will save you too. Just call His name, and He will help you immediately, no matter how deep you are in hell.

I don't think it is realy all that black & white.

I believe that the nature of the entities, regardless of how "real" they are, is a reflection of your own state of mind.

You probably know the term "facing your demons". In my experience, demonic entities disappear or become powerless when you find the courage in yourself to do this.

There are people who say the same things about the harry potter books and movies. They think these books and movies will turn childeren to occultism and away from christian values.

But the books and movies are obviously, like so many other stories, about "good versus evil". They are much more a confirmation of the good values that can also be found in christianity, than a denial of them.
 
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#150 Posted : 11/9/2019 11:16:49 AM

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How come in all the years that I've taken dmt, enhanced leaf, changa that I've never had an encounter with demonic/evil entities?

Man I must have hit the lottery.

Or, I must have not realized what I'd been looking at this whole time?

lol

Interesting that when people have challenging experiences with this molecule that the explanations start rolling, with sometimes a good portion of those explanations becoming an elaborately designed story. A personal story at that. A story of one persons experiences.

People too I find like to throw around the word demon far too much. It's a good thing to look up the etymology of the word 'demon'.
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I don't think anyone really has a proper grasp on what is actually going on in hyperspace in regards to entities. Everyone has different theories that always seem to be more a reflection of their own inner concepts - even alien abduction stories during lucid dreams for example take on the projected inner concepts, whereas in the past it was witches etc.

Personally I think entities are not all the inner manifestations of a person, that some of them do in fact have an independent existence apart from us. What isn't real are the outer shells that we 'see', what we project on to these perhaps formless entities that our brains can't decipher and project on to our of necessity for us to witness something we realise is 'there'. Like a ghost that claims to be your dead uncle.. it may very well be a real entity of sorts, but you project that image and witness it, or maybe the entity sees your mind and plucks that image out for you to witness.

Personally I've seen far more demonic things when falling asleep in my minds eye. Faces of creatures that were so original and apart from anything I've ever witnessed, so grotesque that even H R Giger couldn't have imagined them. I never saw anything like that on DMT, but I did feel definite negative presences.


 
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#152 Posted : 11/9/2019 12:53:11 PM

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Many of us have, at least to some extent, been influenced by religion. That probably does matter in how you experience all of this.

Almost any religion contains a degree of brainwashing, or negative propaganda, about the other religions. With christianity, it is mostly paganism. Paganism is heavily associated with evil in christianity.

But it is quite evident that christianity itself has incorporated many paganist practices. (Wich i think demonstrates that if the christian god would indeed exist, he probably would not have that much of a problem with paganist practices as people fear)

This relation to paganism can be problematic, and probably does play a role in how many of us view these entities.

That is why i think intention is so important. If part of you believes, even if it is only very deep down at some subcounscious level, that what you are doing is turning your back on god, and therefore all that is good, then you can expect entities at some point to take demonic forms (demonic as in the christian sense, that is).

Therefore, you have to be willing to confront the evil that is within yourself, because we all have a dark side.

If you are very determined to serve that wich is good (regardless of whether you would want to call it god or something else), and to fight the evil that exists within you, then you don't have to be afraid anymore of things that have a "pagan smell" to them.

That at least is my personal experience, as an agnostic person with a christian upbringing.
 
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#153 Posted : 11/9/2019 5:11:06 PM

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tatt wrote:
How come in all the years that I've taken dmt, enhanced leaf, changa that I've never had an encounter with demonic/evil entities?

Man I must have hit the lottery.

Or, I must have not realized what I'd been looking at this whole time?

lol

Interesting that when people have challenging experiences with this molecule that the explanations start rolling, with sometimes a good portion of those explanations becoming an elaborately designed story. A personal story at that. A story of one persons experiences.

People too I find like to throw around the word demon far too much. It's a good thing to look up the etymology of the word 'demon'.


To add to what tatt said, just because someone believes/constructs an anthropomorphized character(s) in their experience doesn't mean that there's anything like it actually there.

Expectation bias can easily explain the phenomenon of "seeing what you expect to see" through the infinite patterns DMT allows within the visual cortex.

That kind of intricate static in the third eye almost begs for the construction of whatever you want to see. That in no way means they "exist" as discrete beings outside of your mind's creation of them.

People swear by these entities as though they are an article of faith-- but like tatt I have thousands of trips under my belt over the last 15 years or so, and not a single time have I witnessed a presence that came off as independent from my own mind. Never.

I don't say any of this to offend, just to point out that I wonder if some people's brains are affected in ways that they "cleave off" their sense of self in a way that they can't make a distinction between what they're imagining and what's there. Certain creative types could certainly do this.
Like seeing faces in the clouds-- but thinking they are actual beings within the nexus of DMT effects when they are nothing more than a natural pattern recognition instinct combined with fragments/notions of memories and abstract thought/imagination.

Maybe mine and tatt's brain are too "literal" or "grounded" for us to imagine such scenes. Who knows for sure. What I do know is that I have not known anything like the wild detailed stories everyone talks about, no matter if it's Ayahuasca, mushrooms, DMT, or anything-- and I have been to extreme places with all of them, so it's not that I haven't gone far enough.

I've always thought this explains people thinking they see "other" beings-- that they are simply having conversations with themselves without knowing it at the time.

 
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And to add to what I said up top: hope I'm not coming off as throwing shade at anyones experiences or devaluing or w/e. These experiences can be incredibly profound [potentially reality shattering], destroying the ability to language it as it's happening.

Don't mean for if what I said up top comes off as me being an asshole. Not the intention at all.

At the end of the day though, no one can say I think 'what's going on' with these experiences [as of yet]. There's nothing conclusive in the slightest to explaining where 'exactly' these intense boundary dissolving visions/realm[s] come from. These experiences are a mystery at the end of the day. No one has hold on this experience imo.

Seen alot of entities and/or aspects of the experience in many of the experiences that I've had over the years, but to start talking about it for me automatically devalues it significantly. I'm not able to language it. I look back on alot of the writings on here I did over the years, the descriptions, and I laugh Razz .

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FWIW I don't think you have to back away from what you said. It's ok to inject a little humor into conversation, and I wonder sometimes if better communication takes place when we don't hack away at all possible terms we fear could be perceived as offensive in some way.

Language is a muddy, blunt instrument. Let it be at least an honest one.
 
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#156 Posted : 11/9/2019 7:13:22 PM

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tatt wrote:
And to add to what I said up top: hope I'm not coming off as throwing shade at anyones experiences or devaluing or w/e. These experiences can be incredibly profound [potentially reality shattering], destroying the ability to language it as it's happening.

Don't mean for if what I said up top comes off as me being an asshole. Not the intention at all.

At the end of the day though, no one can say I think 'what's going on' with these experiences [as of yet]. There's nothing conclusive in the slightest to explaining where 'exactly' these intense boundary dissolving visions/realm[s] come from. These experiences are a mystery at the end of the day. No one has hold on this experience imo.

Seen alot of entities and/or aspects of the experience in many of the experiences that I've had over the years, but to start talking about it for me automatically devalues it significantly. I'm not able to language it. I look back on alot of the writings on here I did over the years, the descriptions, and I laugh Razz .


I also prefer an agnostic aproach to these things.

The greatest thinkers in the jewish, christian and budhist traditions (i am not that familiar with the other worldphilosophies yet) all said that god cannot contradict science.

And though for instance the catholic church for a very long period has tried to control science (think of the incarceration of galileo), it never dared to contradict this statement itself (Because that would have meant the destruction of all of scholasticism itself as well).

I think with hyperspace entities it is usefull to take the same approach. It is possible that they are real and exist outside of us. But it is probably not usefull to try to explain them in a way that completely contradicts neuroscience and modern psychology.

To completely deny that at the very least, these experiences are to a great extent a reflection of the psychological processes inside our own heads, seems to be somewhat at odds with the reality we happen to live in most of the time.

And for religious people, or "entity believers", totally unnessecary as well, considering the fact that some of the most important spiritual and religious traditions, even the most dogmatic ones, do not require you to completely dismiss science.
 
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Well said, dragonrider
 
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