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#161 Posted : 9/23/2015 10:35:45 PM

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That one appears to be P. arundinacea

Are you sure? It looks so similar to lya's pictures above it that were ID'd as Dactylis glomerata. Although the ligule does appear more diaphanous on LowHP's specimen.

Just a thought: whenever I've found P. arundinacea it's been on riverbanks or in ditches - clearly damp places. D. glomerata I've found in woodlands, parks and meadows where the habitat is significantly drier. That's not to say, though, that P. arundinacea never grows in drier places (sorry, double negative!), just that it greatly prefers damp places.

Is there a post in this thread detailing the fine differences between these two close lookalike species - besides their habit preferences? Such a thing would help save people a lot of wasted time and effort.




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#162 Posted : 9/30/2015 10:37:10 PM

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Figured I would try and post a few picture.

Have found this grass all over the Midwestern U.S. Does not have white striped leaves but seems very similar to Phalaris. The stem is hollow and the leaves are coming off at a 45. Stood over five feet tall and found in a damp, marshy area. I know it is not in season, just curious for identification purposes.

Any insight nexians?
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#163 Posted : 10/1/2015 1:57:13 AM

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downwardsfromzero wrote:
dreamer042 wrote:
That one appears to be P. arundinacea

Are you sure? It looks so similar to lya's pictures above it that were ID'd as Dactylis glomerata. Although the ligule does appear more diaphanous on LowHP's specimen.

Just a thought: whenever I've found P. arundinacea it's been on riverbanks or in ditches - clearly damp places. D. glomerata I've found in woodlands, parks and meadows where the habitat is significantly drier. That's not to say, though, that P. arundinacea never grows in drier places (sorry, double negative!), just that it greatly prefers damp places.

Is there a post in this thread detailing the fine differences between these two close lookalike species - besides their habit preferences? Such a thing would help save people a lot of wasted time and effort.

I think you are correct that does appear to be orchard grass rather than arund.

I'm no pro at ID'ing these things, so take it for what it's worth but it looks to me like arund flowers will always be yellow/brown in color instead of green like in the orchard grass specimens.
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#164 Posted : 10/1/2015 6:16:04 PM

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Re: Leithen

That looks more hopeful...




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#165 Posted : 10/1/2015 6:29:15 PM

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Leithen wrote:
Figured I would try and post a few picture.

Have found this grass all over the Midwestern U.S. Does not have white striped leaves but seems very similar to Phalaris. The stem is hollow and the leaves are coming off at a 45. Stood over five feet tall and found in a damp, marshy area. I know it is not in season, just curious for identification purposes.

Any insight nexians?

It does look a lot like arundinacea but it's a bit hard to tell. Can you get a clearer shot of the flower head and/or a couple moar flowers to verify?
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#166 Posted : 10/2/2015 2:18:13 AM
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Could someone check the pictures I posted on the last post of the page before this? If it is phalaris I need to harvest it soon as it's starting to die off with the time of year it is.
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#167 Posted : 10/2/2015 3:07:00 AM

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Gone-and-Back wrote:
Could someone check the pictures I posted on the last post of the page before this? If it is phalaris I need to harvest it soon as it's starting to die off with the time of year it is.

I'm pretty sure that is not a Phalaris species. A cursory google search leads me to believe it's likely a species of Pennisetum.
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#168 Posted : 10/2/2015 12:19:54 PM
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dreamer042 wrote:
Gone-and-Back wrote:
Could someone check the pictures I posted on the last post of the page before this? If it is phalaris I need to harvest it soon as it's starting to die off with the time of year it is.

I'm pretty sure that is not a Phalaris species. A cursory google search leads me to believe it's likely a species of Pennisetum.


Dam. I thought it looked pretty similar to phalaris, but I'm not expert obviously. I take it that grass species has no activity?
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#169 Posted : 10/6/2015 6:54:41 PM

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Got some more pictures of another plant. Again I think it looks very similar to phalaris but can not for sure id.

Standing between 4.5 and 6 ft. Hollow stems. Found in early October so not very alive. Still active? Found in central U.S. South of Illinois.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Big grin
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#170 Posted : 10/6/2015 7:07:19 PM

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I don't think that is a Phalaris. Closest looking thing I could find with a quick google was Aleman Grass.
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#171 Posted : 10/10/2015 3:17:08 PM

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So I don't know if this is the right place to do this but I don't think this warrants another thread.

I'm wondering if anyone remembers any instance of phalaris growing in south/central florida. It is high humidity and I would think they could be growing there.
 
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#172 Posted : 10/10/2015 4:45:18 PM

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Leithen, that is not phalaris you found. Do not consume it.
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#173 Posted : 11/27/2015 6:27:48 AM
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any of the images attached look familiar? growing near a creek in Melbourne, all over the place, I can get more images quite easily
 
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#174 Posted : 12/11/2015 6:17:23 PM

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Leithen: First photo is Phalaris Arundinacea
Second photo is definitely not

Gone and Back: The photo on the previous page is either a species of Polypogon or Pennisetum and I am unaware of tryptamine alkaloids being present in either of those grasses.

Astro84: Your grass is Dactylis Glomerata(Orchard Grass), and is not active for entheogenic purposes.
 
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#175 Posted : 12/14/2015 4:41:01 AM
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Thanks Chimp Z for clarification, I have been doing some more research and I took some images of one I think could be P. Aquatica found along a creek near me
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#176 Posted : 12/14/2015 6:02:35 AM

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For what it's worth Astro84, that is by my lights most definitely P. Aquatica! Congrats on the find!

dreamer042 wrote:

I think you are correct that does appear to be orchard grass rather than arund.

I'm no pro at ID'ing these things, so take it for what it's worth but it looks to me like arund flowers will always be yellow/brown in color instead of green like in the orchard grass specimens.


My P. Arund flowers have this curious red tinge about them; though my friends call me colourblind so there's that haha!
 
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#177 Posted : 1/22/2016 1:15:44 AM

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Hey Folks,

This thread is extremely informative.Big grin

Hope I'm not going to far of topic but I was hoping to get verification on a species of grass. I think its phalaris arundinacea?



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#178 Posted : 1/22/2016 5:24:05 AM

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This does look very much like arundinacea to me.
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#179 Posted : 1/25/2016 10:57:06 PM

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dreamer042 wrote:
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This does look very much like arundinacea to me.

Really? I'd say it looks very much like Phragmites australis (sham's picture, that is). Although to be fair there are a few more details that would aid ID:

*Include close up of the ligule where the leaf joins the stem. P. arund. is longer and membranous, P. aus. is fibrillose.

*A close up of the flowers would also be helpful.

Otherwise they're very nice pictures! Very happy




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#180 Posted : 1/26/2016 12:03:04 AM

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Phragmites usually has a moar feathered flower head ime.
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