this tree v.africana grows in abundance around where swim stays - swim has many seeds and has dreamed of eating 80 with noticible but slight fx.
Swim would really like to know if it is that easy to convert ?

Just get an Iboga plant. It looks like Coffea or Psychotria... not suspious at all.

If you want to have tons of root bark all the time, yes you will have to grow alot. If you just want some root bark every now and then... you'll only need a few plants.

It grows just fine indoors once it's past the seedling stage.

Hunter S. Thompson: "Jesus, nobody running for president would dare touch a thing like ibobaine. Maybe. I would, but no normal politician. It would turn his brains to jelly. He'd have to be locked up."
On presidential candidate Muskie.

Has anyone tried this conversion yet? I’m quite interested in this.

Also, what is pure voacangine like? It is at all hallucinogenic?

Ibogine is mentioned in "Fear & Loathing in Los Vegas"?

swim tried voacanga seeds - first time 50 seeds second time 80 seeds - slight visuals were noted, no bad side fx - it only lasted an hour or so but deffinately not placebo.

That sounds promising. SWIM has some voacanga seeds but has been nervous to try them. And Dagger explains why:



Intense stomach pains...I’ve read that before...SWIM doesn’t fancy that.

So Phlux, was any special preparation done on the seeds to help prevent the stomach pain?

Is there anyway to remove the toxins or is voacangine itself the toxin causing the stomach pain?

Those methods are of little use to the average person.

Is, voacangine that much worse than ibogaine? What is the advantage of ibogaine over voacangine?

The reports on Erowid of V. africana are a mixed bag. Some people experience toxic effects (stomach pain, nausea, tight chest, etc.) and little else, others experience stimulant effects, others experience mild psychedelic effects (visual distortions, emotional effects, etc.). Not all the reports consist of negative side effects. I wonder what the reason for that is.

Are there different varieties of these seeds, some toxic, some more psychedelic?

There must be a way to remove the toxins. If only I knew what they were.

swim just chewed them up and swallowed them, no prep. the seeds were harvested by hand from local trees of this spp in the area - they were fresh too - swim just dried them in the windowsill. one thing that may be the cause is how they were harvested - swim has heard of some ppl harvesting the fruit while they are still closed and unripe - splitting them open and drying the seeds and pulp then separating them - swims batches he tried were ripe - the fruit had split - swim has a batch from fruit that were unripe - they have been sitting in swims cupboard for about 3 months now. swim has not tested this plant further. swim never experienced any nausea from them - slight stimulation and visual fx - mindset was mostly unchanged except perhaps for mild euphoria, but that could just have been from the excitement that comes with trying new plants. Perhaps when swim has some time he will test 50 seeds from the new batch - if no nausea is felt then swim will go for 80 or even 100.

that tek is not an easy one - anyone else with great chem knowledge got any ideas for a conversion to ibogaine - or something more active then voacangine ?

Anything new ?!

I'm interested.

If its really that simple, that's awesome.

Id be glad to attempt this, extraction of vocangine shouldn't be too hard at all

Vocanaga seeds are much cheaper then iboga bark, but then i'm not sure of the yields, so unless you can get them for free, it might not be cost effective at all.

If I have the time, I might order the seeds and give it a try, but ill probably order some iboga also just in case

I have large amounts of voacanga rootbark on hand as well as large amounts of extracted voacangine (fumerate, hcl, and freebase). If someone could clarify the process in an easy to follow kitchen chem tek format for me I'd be moar than happy to do the experimentation.

Yeah we need to unlock this mistery.
We need more ibogaine healing !!!

According to Chris Jenks, a professional chemist who has worked with ibogaine extensively, the voacangine must be isolated from the other alkaloids for the conversion to work. He found no simple way to do this. After the voacangine is isolated the procedure is fairly simple; heat the voacangine in KOH solution, then acidify with HCl. Dreamer, do you have voacangine fumerates, or voacanga TA fumerates?

TA I'd assume. Limtek extraction salted to fumerate for one batch and hcl for another. Half of the fumerates were converted to freebase, drytek with sodium carb and annhydrous acetone. If anyone knows how I can purify I'll be happy to give that a go I got hcl and I can run down and grab some KOH.

How to they isolate Ibogaine from TA/root? One would assume the same procedure would work to isolate Voacangine from voa TA/root. Apologies for not just doing the research for myself, I will when I get the chance, but if someone knows off the top of their head that would be awesome!

ibogaine is often isolated with a little bit of residual ibogamine by dissolving PTA freebase in acetone and adding conc. hcl to precip ibogaine hcl. Ibogaline and the other most abundant alkaloids are more soluble in hcl form in acetone.

According to Chris Jenks, voacanga rootbark has about 10 percent alkaloid content, of which only 3 percent is actually voacangine.

Best to source some iboga root bark imo.

Thanks!

Rather unfortunate this is not a workable method :/ I've been trying to find a useful purpose for this voacanga for ages. Guess I'll just have to make some arrow poison or something with it