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.. acacian wrote: Quote:The phyllodes are not as sharp, erect or short as the mucronata I posted up earlier.. but instead quite papery and a bit longer..
.. they are both in seed at the moment so I collected some pods... they are identical on both trees. same length, colour texture, same seed size.. curled the same way.. literally identicle. ..the difference between A. maidenii and A. mucronata pods is very clear, the former twisted/coiled, the latter not..aril slightly different too..can you post pics..? Maidenii should not be flowering now..
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[quote=nen888].. acacian wrote: Quote:
..the difference between A. maidenii and A. mucronata pods is very clear, the former twisted/coiled, the latter not..aril slightly different too..can you post pics..? Maidenii should not be flowering now..
that photo was from a while back. the tree was in flower at the same time the other mucronata was... september or october .. can't quite remember though. the new growth looks basically the same as the mucronata, though the mature growth has larger phyllodes. what do you think about the pods being the same as the other mucronata? could growth conditions have something to do with its variance?
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and yes will post pics of pods in the next half hr 
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so here are the pods.. sorry i didn't separate them because they were the same just chucked them in the bag. pod length = 8.5cm  
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<.. mucronata.. acacian.. 
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ok cool. the other thing.. the younger sprouts on that mature tree looked much the same as mucronata. maybe it was just a bit varied from the growing conditions.. was in a woodchip garden bed and less exposed to sun boiling the other confirmed mucronata at the moment. will report results soon!
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Phyllode shape is not considered by botanists a key ID feature of Acacias. Pods, seeds, Flowers are the defining features usually, especially between species with similar leaves.
As you said acacian growing conditions may play a role. timeloop said said similar about melanoxylon. Thanks for the report!
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acacian wrote:was in a woodchip garden bed and less exposed to sun i know with pereskiopsis, lack of light leads to long thin leaves, whereas abundant light leads to short round ones. not that these plants are really related, but stretching the leaves may function as a way to increase light absorption... My wind instrument is the bong
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Parshvik Chintan wrote: Quote:not that these plants are really related, but stretching the leaves may function as a way to increase light absorption...
This sounds like a good theory. I also associate thinner leaves with drier conditions, but IDK for sure.
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Thanks Parvshvik Chintan and Meddling Monk!  could woodchips maybe hold back some of the moisture from the soil too?
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^..in Marion Simmons expert Acacia Growing Guide here she says not to put wood chip right up to the treelet base..leave a few inches around..to stop rot one reason..also, standard mainly woodchip based potting mix is not good for rasing acacias..it does dry out the moisture..i've seen many small acacias with phyllode browning and retartded slow growth from being in such wood chip mixes..sandy loam/perlite/moss is much better..
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nen888 wrote:also, standard mainly woodchip based potting mix is not good for rasing acacias..it does dry out the moisture.. but as water-stressing increases alkaloid content, it could be good to add to mature (ready to harvest) ones, yes? My wind instrument is the bong
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..it's good to grow the tree up with as much regular watering (without allowing rot) as possible over a few years..once the tree is a good size, then one could moisture stress it to perhaps increase alkaloids (not known for sure) ..acacias in the wild in tougher conditions without a lot of rain take years to reach a couple of feet..! ..some images below of some australian Acacias growing in California, and then Acacia retinodes growing in Canada! nen888 attached the following image(s):  roadsideacacia.jpg (37kb) downloaded 211 time(s). IS113onvcrsucgz.jpg (51kb) downloaded 211 time(s). A. retinodes Canada 1.png (358kb) downloaded 209 time(s).
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california looks like paradise
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.. Acacia paradoxa is a very interesting plant..no known chemical tests.. Quote:Acacia paradoxa provides a valuable resource for birdlife, often forming dense, spiny thickets that are ideal as nesting sites for small insectivorous birds such as Superb Fairy Wrens and White-browed Scrubwrens . Many fascinating invertebrates including mealybugs, flower-wasps, weevils, ants and spiders will be found among the leaves, flowers, pods, bark and wood. pictured: superb fairy wren in kangaroo thorn; and superb parrots in Acacia hakeoides.. nen888 attached the following image(s): superbfairywren.jpg (43kb) downloaded 191 time(s). superbparrot1.jpg (55kb) downloaded 191 time(s). 3superbparrots.jpg (52kb) downloaded 191 time(s).
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Hey there all you human Acacia allies, hope you are all well. I had hoped to post some results on Acacia macradenia and leiocalyx in the extraction work space as mentioned month or so ago but sadly lost all my images and related notes in hard drive failure. Suffice to say the results were good and second experiments will be conducted to confirm initial results and findings will be posted as originally intended.
Really happy to see some new species that people have had sucess with being shared. Thanks to those who shared.
Regards, Spice Sailor.
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well done Spice Sailor! good to have you back.. its been a while mate look forward to seeing your results! hope your well so far looking good for the already identified mucronata.. much more precipitate formed than last time. 120g semi dry phyllodes were used
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..yeah good to hear from you Spice Sailor.. hard-drive failure..!ahh..i feel your pain..glad the results were good at least..! i thought as i mention her a bit, i'd give you some good medicine music.. from Hildergard von Bingen, visionary mystic and ecstatic nun 11th century.. i quite like the wikipedia entry: Quote:Herbal medicine
Hildegard also wrote Physica, a text on the natural sciences, as well as Causae et Curae. Hildegard of Bingen was well known for her healing powers involving practical application of tinctures, herbs, and precious stones. In both texts Hildegard describes the natural world around her, including the cosmos, animals, plants, stones, and minerals.
She combined these elements with a theological notion ultimately derived from Genesis: all things put on earth are for the use of humans. She is particularly interested in the healing properties of plants, animals, and stones, though she also questions God's effect on man's health. One example of her healing powers was curing the blind with the use of Rhine water. she also wrote a lot of great music so, in honour and praise of the Thorn Tree: "O Tu Suavissima Virga" which means " Oh sweet twig"..
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..and here are some sweet twigs to sample.. Acacia nilotica, common in africa and india, published report 'tryptamine and harmane derivatives' in leaf [Oliver-Bever 1986], reports of successful and good dmt extractions from bark by phlux..mind the thorns.. nen888 attached the following image(s): Acacia_nilotica2-1.jpg (254kb) downloaded 139 time(s).
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I can't but help have the feeling that one of the biggest cover-ups of all time is being unravelled at present , beginning when J.O published " Analogues " ..... [ at the time a leaflet blurb for the book mentioned " Time Wave Zero " ].... More recently Luke A. Myers published " Gnostic Visions ; Uncovering the Greatest Secret of the Ancient World " , [ also highly recommended for those interested in this aspect of ... ]
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