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Chemical Composition of Traditional and Analog Ayahuasca Options
 
Jagube
#1 Posted : 4/25/2021 6:22:30 PM

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I can't access the paper, but apparently it has some interesting info, from what I've gathered from this Spanish article: http://www.plantaforma.o...RMOxOLoY2-Kz0tdeaKVIsbW0

Original paper: https://www.tandfonline....80/02791072.2020.1815911

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The study aimed to determine concentrations of the main bio- and psychoactive components of ayahuasca used in different locations and traditions. We collected 102 samples of brews from ayahuasca-using communities. Concentrations of N,N-dimethyltryptamine (DMT), tetrahydroharmine, harmine, and harmaline were determined by ultra-high performance liquid chromatography coupled to tandem mass spectrometry (UHPLC-MS/MS). Qualitative analyses for non-traditional additives (moclobemide, psilocin, yuremamine) were performed by high resolution mass spectrometry. Higher and more variable concentrations of DMT in neoshamanic ayahuasca samples compared to indigenous samples may indicate use of higher and more variable proportions of DMT-containing admixture plants. From European samples, we found two related samples of analog ayahuasca containing moclobemide, psilocin, DMT, yuremamine, and very low concentrations of B. caapi alkaloids. Some analogs of ayahuasca (Peganum harmala, Mimosa tenuiflora) were used in Europe. No analogs were found from Brazil or Santo Daime ceremonies in Europe.

 

Good quality Syrian rue (Peganum harmala) for an incredible price!
 
ShamensStamen
#2 Posted : 4/25/2021 10:57:07 PM
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Link to full paper - https://sci-hub.se/https...80/02791072.2020.1815911

Keep that sci-hub.se site in mind, a lot of full papers can be accessed through that site.
 
Jagube
#3 Posted : 4/26/2021 12:40:47 AM

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Thanks ShamensStamen. This is interesting:

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Decline of THH/HME ratio
with the degree of Daime corresponds to longer boiling
times and also to increasing number of repeated
extractions of the same plant material during feitio,
and may be related to different qualitative subjective
effects of different degrees of Daime

It doesn't quite fit the hypothesis that harmaline gets reduced to THH in the decoction process...?

Quote:
Average (minimal – maximal)
percentages from the sum of the concentrations of the
4 analytes were: DMT 26.2% (9.2–63.7%); THH 29.8%
(1.4–55.4%); harmine 41.5% (15.0–75.0%); harmaline
2.5% (0.3–16.8%). [..]

Harmaline/harmine concentration ratios around
0.1 have been detected in brews from Santo Daime
where P. harmala is not used. [..]

As seen in Figure 3, there was also
a trend toward higher DMT/HME ratios among Daime
samples (n = 53) compared to shamanic samples.
 
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#4 Posted : 5/1/2021 3:59:54 PM

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ShamensStamen wrote:
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Keep that sci-hub.se site in mind, a lot of full papers can be accessed through that site.

If any particular sci-hub portal doesn't work (e.g., if it's blocked in your area or, especially, if using a VPN hasn't solved the access issue), try connecting through "sci-hub.shop", which redirects to your current viable portal.




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ShamensStamen
#5 Posted : 5/2/2021 3:01:14 AM
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^ Noted.
 
ms_manic_minxx
#6 Posted : 5/3/2021 3:30:10 PM

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If we could figure out if/how brewing methods have an impact on this, I would be thrilled to make a big section about it in the Aya sticky (I'm in the middle of reworking it).

Is it possible that the differences are simply a variation in alkaloids between types of vine?

I would be all in to brew/bioassay/take pretty pictures under blacklight for the team. Thumbs up

Adding vitamin C to a brew can get disgusting quickly, so I'd be curious to hear if anyone knows anything about minimum effective amounts?
Some things will come easy, some will be a test
 
 
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