mmm maybe - if swim does how should he approach it - like eat 3 beans 30mins beforehand ? and progress from there ?

actually i think somebody tested it..and they said it reduced the visuals of the smoking..not sure if they used cacao or not..but yea 3 beans and then wait 30 minutes sounds perfect

And (here we go again) that was all in your head, chemicals do not effect you within seconds when taken orally. Are you beginning to understand the Power of the Mind!

I know that ayahuasca CAN hit you immediately. It may be a mystery, but jorkest and i both know that you just don't 'imagine' something like this and i believe 69ron also had such an experience.
If you can handle a dose 4 to 5 times as strong as a 'normal' aya dose on an empty stomach, you can check this out for yourself.
I'm telling you, it hit's within seconds.

yes it does...SWIM has been taking drugs long enough to know when they kick in..of course our minds are doing part of it..because THAT IS WHAT IS CHANGING when SWIM takes something like this

sounds a bit like my mushroom vs. MAOi experience.. but I wonder why you took that much different stuff in one evening. take it easy dude. life is still ahead of you.

peace

Yeah, it can hit you almost instantly sometimes. It’s a mystery but absolutely real. Many people have reported this happening with aya on occasion. No one exactly knows why or how it works. I believe that it can absorb directly into the blood stream in some cases. DMT doesn’t absorb well sublingually, so it’s not likely by that route. Perhaps through the stomach walls or even the esophagus with the aid of the harmala alkaloids.

Making statements like “chemicals do not effect you within seconds when taken orally” is completely false for some compounds. 5-MeO-DMT absorbs sublingually, and through the walls of the esophagus really fast when taken orally without water. If enough is taken it can be felt in a matter of seconds. That is a fact that also applies to some other drugs. Many drugs can also directly absorb through the walls of the stomach and be felt in a matter of seconds. Most drugs cannot, and that is where you get this idea that “chemicals do not effect you within seconds when taken orally”. But that is not true for all drugs. And especially not true for drugs that can be absorbed sublingually.

SWIM tried 100mg of theobromine taken an hour before smoking around 12mg spice, and did not notice any increase in intensity.

Maybe theo potentiates the THH or Harmine, but SWIM did not use these that time because he wanted to see a direct link between theo and DMT.

Does anyone else get the same results that theo does not potentiate smoked dmt directly?

theobromine is said to help oral dmt..not smoked..somebody tested oral theobromine with smoked dmt..and is said to reduce the effects..but oral theobromine..plus oral dmt and oral MAOI DOES make a difference

Yesterday I received 10g of pure theobromine from my favo supplier, it's a white flour like powder, doesn't taste anything special, just a little bit like bitter cacoa.

I didn't buy this for my next journey, but maybe, somewhere in the future...

you may need your cat's meow to pull you back from a nice strong aya brew when taking Theobromine....

Phew rather you than foaf, he hates returning to the baby-state of infinite fear and questioning. Glad you managed to minimise the damage and get something rewarding out of it in the end.

Foaf once accidentally ate too many shrooms and questioned reality so much that despite being very sleepy he was in MORTAL fear that if he closed his eyes he may cease to exist, as if he were some kind of self-observing Shrodinger's cat!
It is this fear of the potential fragility and meaninglessness of reality that stopped his experiments with the humbling cosmic nihilism of salvia extract!

Hmmm. The only time SWIM has ever been in fear and panic was smoking salvia. Still a rewarding experience. Swim a ate 7g's of mushroom one time, well he's done it more than once before but, he became convinced he was Zues. He also convinced all of his friends that he was tripping with that he was Zues. I mean he TRULY BELIEVED he was zues. The thought clung with him for a few days but he was able to shake it by the end of the week. SWIM needs to be careful what trains of thought he rides.

My limited experience has me believeing that Rue seed MAOIs are prone to inducing scarier dmt trips, if you do too much Rue-extract. With oral dmt (0.5mg-.75mg per lb of body weight) the Harmine/Harmaline MAOI combo in Rue Seeds has had me looping and in a looped-panic thought. I have tried 3g seed extract + 100-150 mg-dmt, and it all was too much for my 148 Lbs. Less Rue next time, I think.

I'm still trying to smoke the roasted- rue-seed ( justdry whole seeds by light roasting in a pan) - this works well ! Pack a bowl with roasted-seeds, huff and puff (it tastes great !), and then in 5 minutes hit the dmt, going as full-out as ever - Whoooshhh ! aaaannnd ... becomeallof God's Love ! ... the trip is > 75 minutes of Beingasms !

Dmt smoked 30 minutes after drinking a large dose of Cocoa (3 heaping Tablespoons) for me leads to a longer trip, more recall, and it's just the perfect combo' !

Theobromine, or whatever is in Cocoa that is at play here, has me hooked ! For me it seems to broaden the trip - After drinking a big, hot, sweet mug of it I smoke a full hit (~50 mg dmt sometimes mixed with 100 mg if MJ) and there are usually more Aztec-reds in the opening-veil that announces "here we Go" ... MezoAmerican Myths come alive with the Food of the Gods is IN You - Quezalcoatl opens up all around you ! I'll get over an hour of delight from what might have lasted just 22 minutes, until I was ready to go again !

I had two ayahuasca experiences this past weekend. Keep that dosage LOW people.

The first was mixed with 200mgs theobromine (for 2 people). I can tell you that it did not decrease the time it took for it to work. I had almost called it a night after three hours passed. After a quick bite and heading off to bed the Aya hit me hard. The experience was VERY jittery and I was wired throughout voyage.

The second Aya brew (1 day after the first) did not have any theobromine in it and had the same amount of White Caapi and Chaliponga per person. There was little difference in the stregnth and duration of the experience. It was powerful but without the jitters. I was able to concentrate on healing this time.

For me, it seems, that the theobromine did little but add a very strong stimulation to the voyage. It made it very hard for me to close my eyes. However, this combination was extremely euphoric. While waiting for the brew to take effect I was feeling wonderful and was able to talk about many deep things with my friend. I may try theobromine in my brew again but at much reduced dosage ie 15-25/person.

At what temperature and for how long are the seeds roasted?



SWIM has yet to try the theobromine mix. SWIM normally uses kola nut as a source for theobromine because he finds it seems to work far better than cocoa. Maybe there’s something else in the kola nut other than theobromine that improves the effects of psychedelics. For SWIM, 2-3 ml of kola nut extract is enough to increase the visuals and euphoria of nearly all psychedelics. The enhancement is about 1.5X.

acolon..perhaps if you took the theobromine 1 hour before the aya brew..it might increase the speed and intensity..SWIM took the theobromine 2 hours before taking the pharmabrew..so perhaps it needs some time to sink in

The heat is to dry the seeds one last notch, so they smoke. Just gently evaporate the last H2O out in those few grams of embryos - you can tell if they are not changing colour anymore and about to go black ! (2 - 3 min. ?) I set the heat to 'low' or heat until the rue seeds 'pop', and turn darker in colour - they don't smell nasty as they give off a last puff of moisture (I'd guess 10-15% less weight than when starting). They smoke surprisingly smoothly too ...

Possibly, still, I'm probably not going to be putting it directly into the brew again. I'm not done experimenting with it though, just never at that kind of dose.

You have succesfully persuaded me to purchase some pure theobromine. I will have to experiment a bit with wich dosage feels right to me, before adding it to a magic brew.