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#41 Posted : 5/22/2013 2:05:39 PM

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Wow I wish I had read through this thread a few days ago.... Thanks for bumping, Cyb

Maybe someone should post a "Guaranteed Goo Everytime!!! TEK" and write it in a tone that's very excited about the goo; that might prevent newer people like me from being turned off by it. With all of the "BIG WHITE FLUFFY CRYSTALS FOR EVERYONE" TEKs out there, it's easy to see how some could fall victim to the lures of fancy looking crystals (myself included).

I'm kind of regretting trying to recrystallize my chaliponga extract right now, and am sort of hoping it still ends up as goo so I can see what all the rage is about Smile
 

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#42 Posted : 6/1/2013 12:33:51 AM

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My 2 girlfriends have never done tek werk that resulted in xtals. Just goo for me they say and that is all I get.

I was wondering though... should they sprinkle a little furmate in the goo for long term storage or will the goo be ok by itself. I think they only have any given batch sitting around for a week or 2 maybe at the longest after the nps takes flight.

Again for the new members I have never done DMT xtals and have been to hyperspace, back again and lived to tell about it Smile
 
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#43 Posted : 6/1/2013 12:46:34 AM

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I have enjoyed learning how to re-x this week and feel somewhat accomplished and now have some very nice crystals.

Going to use a shard as a seed after a couple more pulls and try for some real crystal porn (new 13mp cam coming next week so I am hoping to take advantage of both that and my new knowledge).

I don't mind goo but crystals are much easier to store and work with, until I get into changa at least, harmaline route first though (oral+vape)
 
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#44 Posted : 6/1/2013 1:05:41 AM

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ZenSpice wrote:
I have enjoyed learning how to re-x this week and feel somewhat accomplished and now have some very nice crystals.

Going to use a shard as a seed after a couple more pulls and try for some real crystal porn (new 13mp cam coming next week so I am hoping to take advantage of both that and my new knowledge).

I don't mind goo but crystals are much easier to store and work with, until I get into changa at least, harmaline route first though (oral+vape)

You mad science xtal teks are why I am here but girls are pretty instinstant on goo...(read: maybe too lazy)

The other thing I just read on the post "drug bust in portsmouth" is that the Traveler seems to feel that if one is apprehanded that DMT furmarate is better to have on hand due to the fact that DMT furmarate is not actually found in the plant sources.

Sounds goo/d enough for me!
 
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#45 Posted : 6/1/2013 1:22:25 AM

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Journeymann wrote:
ZenSpice wrote:
I have enjoyed learning how to re-x this week and feel somewhat accomplished and now have some very nice crystals.

Going to use a shard as a seed after a couple more pulls and try for some real crystal porn (new 13mp cam coming next week so I am hoping to take advantage of both that and my new knowledge).

I don't mind goo but crystals are much easier to store and work with, until I get into changa at least, harmaline route first though (oral+vape)

You mad science xtal teks are why I am here but girls are pretty instinstant on goo...(read: maybe too lazy)

The other thing I just read on the post "drug bust in portsmouth" is that the Traveler seems to feel that if one is apprehanded that DMT furmarate is better to have on hand due to the fact that DMT furmarate is not actually found in the plant sources.

Sounds goo/d enough for me!


The Traveler didn't say that. He was referring to another post and simply pointing out that dmt fumarate isn't present in the bark. If you get apprehended with fumarates or freebase you will get charges either way. They are both scheduled.

Btw everyone have you ever left your goo to crystallise? It takes a while but eventuaally it does happen.
 
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#46 Posted : 6/1/2013 1:23:03 AM

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Have a renewed interest in trying some goo thanks to threads over past couple of days and will likely save some from my last couple of (heated) pulls.

I just committed to learning about re-x and like to go through with my plans.

Goo will defo be hoped for (and tried for) when it comes time to hit the changa route Pleased

As per that other thread (the bust), I think it seems wise to extract as quick as poss and break everything down straight away once finished (no permanent lab set ups etc). Not the best plan if one wants to take time and learn new facets of this immensely interesting process.

To be honest if he had all those pharma pills then there is a major likelihood that he was dealing (I have little sympathy for those who seek to profit from the spice).

To quote (super) Mario.. Here we gooooooooo!!! Laughing
 
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#47 Posted : 6/1/2013 2:15:58 AM

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nen888 wrote:
..in the 90s when the DMT extraction world was a little fresher, and more guided by experienced chemists, there was no obsession with the end-product being crystals..

in the ordinary world of phytochemical extraction, a simple A/B or STB as done by most nexians, would be said to result in the CRUDE ALKALOIDS..
crystalization requires either re-crystalization (up to several times) and/or separation of compounds in some cases..

BUT, the crude alkaloid is perfectly OK (if were talking mainly tryptamines/betacarbolines) and FINE..perhaps less convenient to handle, but most goo is mostly DMT..

the very first set of instructions i ever read for extracting DMT from plants (in Psychedelic Illuminations magazine) in 1991 said that, after evaporating the non-polar solvent, the resulting SOLID OR OIL is the DMT..

people need to get this imbedded in the psyche and save themselves a lot of un-needed worry, or worse still waste of perfectly good plant alkaloids..

in the Acacia Analysis Thread you will see an example of how a goo/paste is actually over 92% DMT..
[see image attached below]

remaining an oil form is due to either small amounts of beta-carbolines and/or NMT..
often such 'oils' will soldify eventually after a couple of weeks..

so, unless you like meticulous, fiddly lab techniques, just enjoy what the plants give you..sometimes you get crystals..
just be sure it's a species known to have had DMT demonstrated in it..
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below 92%+ DMT with small amount NMT, betacarbolines and traces..





that goo looks like you can take dabs of it Thumbs up
 
Tropical-moss
#48 Posted : 6/1/2013 4:58:03 AM
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Btw everyone have you ever left your goo to crystallise? It takes a while but eventuaally it does happen.

Not in tropical areas Sad have left it over a month and its still sticky and collects more dust and bugs than anything else Sad

goo is good, but think especially for new people, it is not an accurate way of dosing because people really dont know how much they have. this may cause unrest within and may be amplified by the fact they are already new to DMT and its not exactly a soft ride all the time as it is. For reasons of accuracy and peace of mind, crystals might be the goal for some.

got goo for years, then learned how to re crystallize (on this site) and seems pretty easy, now. at the time almost wanted to cry was messing up so bad.
 
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#49 Posted : 6/1/2013 8:06:51 AM
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I'm a complete noob but I understand what this thread is about after reading for literally hours on end. In my experience from only 1 extraction the goo I got simply isn't as active as the tiny bit of xtals I got.

The goo is fine to deal with for me I have simply been dissolving in a tiny bit of acetone(enough to dissolve it)and put a tiny bit of parsley in shot glass and let it soak up. The crazy thing is just a tiny bit of xtals was more potent than I'd say 5x the goo but I didn't weight it. Just trying to go by volume. As long as you get a ton of goo maybe its ok?

I'd really be happy with enough to achieve what I'm trying to achieve which isn't happening but that's only so far. The crystal craze is same even with other drugs I won't mention. Everyone wants 'pretty' even if they aren't selling it and I really think selling dmt is very wrong. If anything it should be given away in a sincere notion to help someone get to where they want to go. Smile Even with my limited experience(and massive experience with other drugs)I can really see how it can be a positive thing.

Had a few tonight hopefully someone gets me and gets something out of this text. Smile
 
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#50 Posted : 6/1/2013 10:21:21 PM

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Nice fluffy crystals are mostly DMT, which will be more potent by mass than the varied contents of full-spectrum extract (goo). There are other tryptamines and even other kinds of psychoactive chemicals present in the goo, all which have their own effect and synergies. It can often take a calm mind and keen attention to perception in order to see the effects of full-spectrum extract, although these effects are no more or less "powerful" in essence. Pure DMT, on the other hand, will most often hit the user in the face like a horseshoe, leaving little to no opportunity to miss its effect (not to say it isn't possible).

As Shulgin once said when pondering Di-Isopropyl-Tryptamine (which mainly effects auditory perception only at moderate doses): "How many other drugs appeared inactive because I did not know where to look for effects?"
 
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#51 Posted : 6/8/2013 9:41:01 PM

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Very helpful! If only DieM knew this before the first extraction that was deemed a total failure!

This was DieM's first post.. followed a few threads for a while. NooB starting out.. thinking of going with Cyb's Max Ion tek for the next effort, can't view the PDF until DieM becomes reputable, so here he his. Saying hi, spreading love to all the (now fellow!) Nexians! Yay!
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nerevar
#52 Posted : 6/26/2013 12:03:43 AM

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I just got this "goo" on my first extraction. I was under the impression that DMT was a solid so I thought the wetness might be excess naphtha which I did NOT want to smoke. So I set it under a fan and the moisture came off and it got smaller. Did I just evaporate my DMT?
 
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#53 Posted : 6/27/2013 5:45:58 PM

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Unless you were blowing 50*C+ air over the goo, no, you didn't lose the good stuff Thumbs up
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#54 Posted : 6/28/2013 9:17:04 AM
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Heyllo hows evetyone doing? Hopefully your extractions are working out way better than mine Smile .

so after reading through many threads including this one, faqs, other posts and texts..ive come to realize maybe my "mess-up" isnt too bad overall....here's the situation...

Extracted using q21Q 21 technique with the lime and solvemt ( naphtha) after around 13 hours in the freezer I took it out and drained off the remaining solvent after I let it sit outside face downfor 1 ish hours. everytime I come back to look at the cup or tray that I've used looks less and less full of crystals.. it appears that the crystals would dissolve in the water or whatever is around them. By scraping some of it out by razor I have realized that it is just a goo..hopefully. With not much more experience than I have I have put one cup in the freezer upside down on a metal plate and one cup facing the fan in a slanted position for runoff of (hopefully only water and not my dmt water)

now after reading the posts about how goo is not bad I scoop some up and put it onto my makeshift machine.however when I was lighting it there was a consistent crackling noise, a fizzing crackling noise with very little effect when smoked. Smoke definitely came out. I can taste it and it immediately felt like I was just almost barely starting the dmt trip....whicj is weird because I thought I had put in sufficient amount of the goo on metal scrubber thing.

Im almost 98% positive ive drained or purposely lost the solvent.
The appearance is more of like a glistening sip of water at the bottom of the shot glass where almost 2 hors ago was a huge nice sexy looking crystal.


Is anything significantly wrong with what im doing or is it all good?


Btw...I live in a tropical place. Rain started and ended..I wouldnt say its humid but its definitely not california living..

Also I forgot to mention.... I scraped some goo and layed it out on a metal tray right inder the fan...been maybe 30ish minutes. Doesnt really look all too changed.

Anyway if its goo then its goo. I just want to be assured as much as possible that I didnt mess it up Smile

Also for recrystalization heptane would be a prime solvent right? What about naphtha?

And lastly, when doing another extraction (q21q21 tek2) is there anything I should or shoukdnt do inorder to not run into this problem of crystal dissapearing goo act?
I have around 100g mhrb sitting in lime for q21q21 tek right before I start first pull. Its been sitting for almost 12 hours now.



Well thats it.
Thanks for all thr help nexus, truly appreciated
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nerevar
#55 Posted : 6/29/2013 9:44:05 PM

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@drsteez
I've had the same problem and thought of something to help, though I haven't tried it (yet).
After you take it out of the freezer and pour out the naphtha, cover the container immediately so moisture doesn't condense from the warm air into your cold container.
Anyone know if this is the right thing to do?
 
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#56 Posted : 6/29/2013 9:44:22 PM
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Well..the goo like u said was amazing. Had white crystals all over the sides and rim. Figured it was the poor or i guess old quLity of the bark..which kinda sucks because i thought that they couldve been a good goto..o well

Edit: yea I pull the tray out and its loaded with white crystals drain everything and put it on a slant under a fan for around hourbor two. Came back thought it was a goner..little did I know once scraped was yellow gooeyish (assuming dmt n oxide) and also some white crystals.
Smoked around 50mg and had an amazi mg time.
Another problem i thought was that I didnt cover thr tray or cup with a lid before..perhaps gaining entry to water from freezer.
Lid bought. Problem solvedThumbs up
 
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#57 Posted : 7/1/2013 7:03:55 AM
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Don't think this has been addressed so far, and though I have had great success with my goo, and subsequent somewhat weaker changa, I was unable to weigh the goo at all. It was simply too.. well, gooey. I kept it frozen to make it easier to load for hits, but it would goo up in a minute. I merely guessed the proper amount of mullien to use for infusion. Thus, my changa is of unknown ratio, which runs contrary with what I did religiously with my mimosa derived spice: weighing it.

In my next extraction, I'm going to grab chaliponga, as well as acacia again. I don't really have a problem if I get goo again, but I would dearly love some means of weighing it.
Any suggestions?
 
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#58 Posted : 7/1/2013 7:33:01 AM

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nyru40 wrote:
I don't really have a problem if I get goo again, but I would dearly love some means of weighing it. Any suggestions?

Weigh a razor blade, re-zero the scale, scrape goo with said razor & weigh it again. Easy peasy

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#59 Posted : 7/2/2013 6:31:02 PM

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Is it possible that the goo is because of excess solvent?
I know if it is left in front of a fan it will dry out, so what exactly is evaporating?
 
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Can anyone shed light on WHY the spice would go goo opposed to xtals? What are the variables that leave you with goo, and what are the variables that leave you with xtals?

I've been ending up with both using cybs hybrid tek. Nice fluffy xtals + a thin patchy solidified layer of goo all over the pan.

So why am I getting two different forms of DMT using the same pulls and the same variables (which do produce crystals?).

Would the goo crystallize if I left it in the freezer for like a week, or is goo just goo?
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